NTM Warm Morning 400 in Upstate NY

 
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Post by coalturkey » Fri. Feb. 10, 2017 8:47 pm

As near as I can see, the only adjustment would be to rotate the bi-metallic spring to add tension to the rod that lifts the door. Does the bi-metallic spring respond to temp changes? If it is bending the rod and the flap is closed, I think you would need to loosen the spring and rotate it some. With the control at the top the flap should be closed. at the bottom, the flap should be open all the way if the stove is cold. Mine has a stove bolt through the spring and it looks like it could be loosened and rotated. I never have touched mine and it works perfectly. First see if the spring responds the temp changes.

 
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Post by coalturkey » Fri. Feb. 10, 2017 8:54 pm

In re-reading your post, the spring doesn't push the flap open, it lifts the flap. So, if the flat link is bending, I would really have to think that you need to loosen the small bolt in the center of the spring and rotate it some so that as the temp decreases the spring raises the flap and conversely as the temp increases the spring would lower or close the flap. I hope this helps.

 
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Post by Dremel » Fri. Feb. 10, 2017 10:12 pm

I think you were right the first time. The lever rotates the spring down, springs pushes on flat link to open door.

I found this thread and tried adjusting the spring but the door is too hard to open.
My Warm Morning Project - Thoughts?

I can push it down and the draft door will open but the spring just bends.

I guess I make sure the draft door isn't gunked up or too sticky for whatever reason.

Thanks,
B

 
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Post by mntbugy » Fri. Feb. 10, 2017 10:26 pm

Dremel wrote:I think you were right the first time. The lever rotates the spring down, springs pushes on flat link to open door.

I found this thread and tried adjusting the spring but the door is too hard to open.
My Warm Morning Project - Thoughts?

I can push it down and the draft door will open but the spring just bends.

I guess I make sure the draft door isn't gunked up or too sticky for whatever reason.

Thanks,
B
this any help

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Post by coalturkey » Sat. Feb. 11, 2017 8:56 am

I was wrong. The actuator rod pushes down to open the flap. So if the rod just bends the flap must be sticking. My error. Sorry.

 
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Post by Dremel » Sat. Feb. 11, 2017 4:39 pm

coalturkey wrote:I was wrong. The actuator rod pushes down to open the flap. So if the rod just bends the flap must be sticking. My error. Sorry.
I suppose all I can do it clean it. Can't oil it I imagine.

I'm warm for now. If I try to get to that flap now I'll burn myself up. Just using the manual ash door vent for now. Nice and toasty.

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Post by Dremel » Sat. Feb. 11, 2017 4:41 pm

mntbugy wrote:
Dremel wrote:I think you were right the first time. The lever rotates the spring down, springs pushes on flat link to open door.

I found this thread and tried adjusting the spring but the door is too hard to open.
My Warm Morning Project - Thoughts?

I can push it down and the draft door will open but the spring just bends.

I guess I make sure the draft door isn't gunked up or too sticky for whatever reason.

Thanks,
B
this any help
Nice find !! Yes, that exactly what I have. It's all there but just not working right.

Thanks !
B

 
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Post by KingCoal » Sat. Feb. 11, 2017 4:50 pm

i'm pretty certain the flap hinge is full of rust and fly ash. the rod pushes down from above, BEHIND the hinge, and lifts the flap up and out from the front of the spout.

if the rod is bending that means the spring is working but the flap "arm" isn't moving.

have a can of "rust eater " or "PB Blaster " with the aiming straw ? spritz it, wait, wiggle, repeat. or if you can spritz and scrub with a tooth brush, bottle brush or whatever.

you should be able to see where to work from those pics of the mechanism.

happy heating,
steve


 
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Post by Dremel » Sat. Feb. 11, 2017 5:25 pm

All great info folks. I appreciate the help!

B

 
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Post by Hoytman » Mon. Feb. 20, 2017 10:17 am

Oh my! That stove is real nice.

The outside looks great. I'd love to find one in great condition like that on the outside. I'd be satisfied with the brown color, but I'd like to find one in great condition in green like the one my great aunt used to have. However, I don't recall if hers was a 400 or a smaller stove. Looks to be real close to hers though. They always burned east KY bit lump coal in their stove.

 
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Post by Grommet64 » Thu. Dec. 07, 2023 1:48 pm

Anyone have a WM 400 manual by chance??

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