Hot Blast 1557M Vs ? for Burning Bituminous

Hand fed coal boilers and furnaces using bituminous coal to heat your home or business. Hand fed stoves as the name implies require manual feeding and air adjustments.
jhoncho4x4
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Post Wed. Nov. 06, 2013 10:16 pm

My coal supplier offers a screened 1½” X ¼” sized product.
Would that work for stoker coal?

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Berlin
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Will-Burt Combustioneer 77B
Coal Size/Type: Ohio BITUMINOUS pea stoker coal
Location: Buffalo/Adirondacks, NY

Post Wed. Nov. 06, 2013 10:17 pm

jhoncho4x4 wrote:Well heck, I don't know. I found these. I might be able to get away with one of them without her throwing a fit.
So I have to add a blower?
How did they originally work?
Is it messy to fill the hopper?
How often do you have to fill the hopper?
How many BTU's are these?
Would one of these be big enough to heat a well insulated house with good windows @ 2,500 sq ft?
When they calculated the sq ft capacity back then, was it for an old drafty house common at the time?
Anybody got a brochure?

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Originally they were intended as a free-standing "stove" where there is a small fan on the back that blows heating into the living space. They really don't work well in that original format because -they produce a lot of heat, they are large, and heavy.

-yes, you should add a big squirrel-cage blower (furnace style blower) to the back and ditch the tiny one that came with it. You should treat it like an add-on furace and plumb it into your current duct work.
-no, it's not messy at all to fill the hopper.
-In mild weather every other day, in cold weather, every day it takes about 1-5gallon pail of coal (for my home). it will run for probably three or four days on one hopper, but, since the ash needs to be taken out of it every other day(mild weather), every day(cold weather) I tend to fill the hopper every day as it performs better.
-80 - 120,000btu/hour output depending on feed setting (it's adjustable - you want to use the lowest feed possible)
-definitely big enough to heat your house, mine ~2000sqft with very little insulation in buffalo, NY

I highly recommend them. I have a bunch of them in my collection and have used one for years, as an add-on furnace to heat my house.
Burning western Pennsylvania Bituminous in WNY using model 77 stoker furnace. BITUMINOUS equiptment: 2 hand fired stoves of my own design, Many Combustioneer Model 77 stokers, stokermatic furnace, Many Will-Burt stokers, & and Two Iron firemen.

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Post Wed. Nov. 06, 2013 10:29 pm

Thank you very much. I had no idea something like this had ever existed; kind of like the pellet stove of their day.
I am going to run this one by her and see if she kicks me in the shin.

When doing the conversion, how do you control the blower? Is there already a thermostatically controlled switch from the previous blower?
If so, I could add a relay to handle the amperage of the larger fan and just use the original thermo-switch to control the relay.
What does the house thermostat control? The auger?

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Post Thu. Nov. 07, 2013 4:44 am

jhoncho4x4 wrote:Got excited for a minute.
http://peasefeedandcoal.com/Mountain-Man-85.html
Pease has a lot of these old discontinued stokers in the barn, I had talk to a very nice man their a year ago to discover he still had a couple underfeed stokers discontinued from the early 90's still in shrink wrap! He is very well versed on bit burners and companies and has a very broad knowledge of products (he did make a profile here, I just cant remember his forum name... he is an old timer for sure and learning from these guys is worth its weight in gold... (if this is what you want... call him! ask him if he has one stashed out back)... if he does, pay the man the price and do cartwheels down the road :clap:


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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: combustioneer model 77B
Coal Size/Type: pea stoker/Ohio bituminous
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Post Thu. Nov. 07, 2013 7:50 am

Those combustioneers are nice, I recently installed one in my house. Bramhi in Wellston sells 1"x 1/4" stoker coal for $100 a ton. The stoker mechanism was made by Will-Burt in Orville Ohio and they are very helpful.
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Post Thu. Nov. 07, 2013 12:14 pm

dcrane wrote:
jhoncho4x4 wrote:Got excited for a minute.
http://peasefeedandcoal.com/Mountain-Man-85.html
Pease has a lot of these old discontinued stokers in the barn, I had talk to a very nice man their a year ago to discover he still had a couple underfeed stokers discontinued from the early 90's still in shrink wrap! He is very well versed on bit burners and companies and has a very broad knowledge of products (he did make a profile here, I just cant remember his forum name... he is an old timer for sure and learning from these guys is worth its weight in gold... (if this is what you want... call him! ask him if he has one stashed out back)... if he does, pay the man the price and do cartwheels down the road :clap:
Am definitely hooked on this model now. Will have to keep that in mind.

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Post Thu. Nov. 07, 2013 12:18 pm

 
carlherrnstein wrote:Those combtioneers are nice, I recently installed one in my house. Bramhi in Wellston sells 1"x 1/4" stoker coal for $100 a ton. The stoker mechanism was made by Will-Burt in Orville Ohio and they are very helpful.
That sure is a good price. Do they oil it?
The supplier closer to me offers 1½” X ¼” not oiled and I don't yet know the price. Would that size even work?

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Post Thu. Nov. 07, 2013 2:37 pm

Its not oiled. My manual says 1" top size and 1/4" bottom size.
Is there already a thermostatically controlled switch from the previous blower?
Yes
What does the house thermostat control? The auger?
Yes, It's actually the auger and the combustion blower.
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Putting it all into perspective in a responsible way

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Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Combustioneer 24 FA w/ Will-Burt s-30
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Combustioneer 77, Stokermatic
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Warm Morning 520,521
Coal Size/Type: Washed stoker- Bituminous
Location: Cadiz, OH

Post Thu. Nov. 07, 2013 8:17 pm

Sorry fellows, the two stokers in Tuscarawas Co are taken. I couldn't pass them up in my backyard. I'm fairly sure one of them is a stokermatic 85. If anyone is interested in it I would be willing to part with it. Stokers are definitely the way to go burning coal, I will never go back to hand firing.
You will disappointed by the hotblast , save your money and frustration.
In the heart of Eastern Ohio coal country. Warm Morning 520, 521- Will-Burt Model 30 Stoker in Combustioneer Model 24FA Furnace
Mining Coal , Selling Coal, Burning Coal....Wow I love Coal!!!


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Post Tue. Nov. 12, 2013 9:01 pm

After the advice / guidance I received from Berlin and forum member carlherrnstein turning me on to a great deal on a Combustioneer stoker (77?), I have made arrangements to pick up the Combustioneer this Saturday. The fella selling it actually has two of them really cheap. As cheap as they are, I may try to make a deal for both of them to have one for parts.

How hard is it to check for cracks on the heat exchanger? Do they generally crack in the same spot from overheating or is it random?

I have read a little about changing the pulley size on the auger motor to a smaller size; any recommendations on the specific size?

I have never been able to find a pic of the blower side of the unit , anybody got any before or after pics when installing a squirrel cage blower to compensate for the inadequate original blower? Any and all pics or links of combustioneer components and installations appreciated.

Any recommendations on a CFM size for the blower upgrade?

My plan is to install it first in my pole barn with a air return filter box and converted for duct hook up. Then when I get the hang of using it and the bugs worked out, install it as an add on furnace for the house.

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Coal Size/Type: Washed stoker- Bituminous
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Post Tue. Nov. 12, 2013 11:31 pm

the one I have with bad heat exchanger cracked and warped right above fire brick.The previous owner must have had it super hot. A look inside with a flashlight should tell you what kind of shape it is in.
When I pick my recent purchase I will try to get some good pics as the older guy I purchased them from did some very good modifications.
In the heart of Eastern Ohio coal country. Warm Morning 520, 521- Will-Burt Model 30 Stoker in Combustioneer Model 24FA Furnace
Mining Coal , Selling Coal, Burning Coal....Wow I love Coal!!!

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Post Wed. Nov. 13, 2013 12:10 am

Willis wrote:the one I have with bad heat exchanger cracked and warped right above fire brick.The previous owner must have had it super hot. A look inside with a flashlight should tell you what kind of shape it is in.
That makes sense.
Willis wrote:When I pick my recent purchase I will try to get some good pics as the older guy I purchased them from did some very good modifications.
Please do!!! I remember the pics from the CL ad, that will be an interesting one to see.

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Post Wed. Nov. 13, 2013 11:06 am

I'm glad you got to it first, when you look at it make sure to ask about the clinker tong cause you will need it. While you are over there you might as well check out Bramhi coal.
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