"New" Warm Morning 500

Hand fed coal boilers and furnaces using bituminous coal to heat your home or business. Hand fed stoves as the name implies require manual feeding and air adjustments.
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Stephen in Soky
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Post Tue. Jan. 10, 2012 8:49 am

Greg, I haven't had any puffbacks, as you note the design really helps with that. My issue was being accustomed to burning well seasoned hardwood that responded to loading much more quickly than coal. That and taking eveyones advice to heart about running too fast creating clinkers and not giving the WM design enough credit for preventing backpuffs contributed to my frustration. I've developed a reasonably good "System" for reloading now, I have the BD dialed in to suit me, and I'm much happier with the stove. I still sorely miss the bimetal, and really need the extra capacity of the 400 to extend my productive time between loads, but I'm much happier now.

I sincerely appreciate everyones help. Without ya'll I would never have made the WM work.

ETA: JohnHenry, you have a PM.


AlaskaCoal1
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Post Sat. Dec. 03, 2016 11:26 am

Would like to revive this old thread. I just got a Warm morning 500 out of a barn and as soon as I figure out how to get pictures off my cell I will post some.

Stephen hopefully you are still on... what do you think the stove is pushing as far as BTUs go. I know it is a guess but compared to your other stoves and their ratings what is your best WAG.

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Post Sat. Dec. 03, 2016 9:07 pm

The OP said he was loading 40 pounds at a time. So 80 pounds in 24 hours.

If the coal is 10,000 BTU per pound times 80 equals 800,000 divided by 24 equals 33,333 BTU potential output.

If your Alaska coal is less BTU, then output will go down or you can probably burn a higher quantity as well. I would think 100 pounds in 24 hours is possible.

The thinking behind the Warm Morning design is to have flame rising through the four chimneys to ignite gasses above the coal bed while supplying as little under fire air as possible in order to cook the gasses out of the coal bed slowly. The remaining coke is then easily controlled.

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Post Mon. Dec. 05, 2016 3:09 am

Pics as promised

It is rough. Inspection noted only a few air leaks... checked by dropping a hanging light down in the firebox.
I purchased some cement to fill the firebrick cracks and other assorted gaps that were showing some light.

Front panel is missing... I am going to continue to search for it but I am not expecting much.
Ash pan has holes in it but I can fab one out of sheet metal. Wish I could take it completely apart and sand off rust and paint but for now it must go to work.

Thoughts and suggestions
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Grate looks good I have the fork just not pictured
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Are these suppose to go to the bottom
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Post Mon. Dec. 05, 2016 3:18 am

More pics with comments on some of the post.

Only other gap I found was on the ash door.. no area for gasket so how does it not pull lots of air through this area... wish I had a pic of that but can not see it unless lights are off.

suggestions welcome.. plan on trying to get this up and running to help push heat to my barn that needs some warming up ... that is another thread.. not sure how to post the link to it here.. will do when I figure it out.
Oh by the way this is my first stove refurbish so be kind. :)

Standing by.
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This is not a solid piece and gasket is out... planning on cementing it up to keep it air tight
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Guess I could patch the bottom with sheet metal and high temp gasket sealer
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As you can see no front panel just the loading door
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another pic of a different flue
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AlaskaCoal1
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Post Mon. Dec. 05, 2016 3:30 am


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Post Mon. Dec. 05, 2016 11:00 am

Some of the Glenwood base heater people have used Black hi temp rtv to make a gap filler...
Used a release on one side let the other stick...
I think they used plastic wrap to prevent sticking...
Bricks look usable the corners have gaps to vent the volatiles to the top...
Rust can wait till the spring...
If there are holes in the bottom they need sealing...
Sheet metal and furnace cement should do it...
Woodmans has some pics of the corner bricks...
The new brick is very expensive...
Then freight to Alaska...
Fix the broken/cracked ones and treat like Gold... ;)
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Post Mon. Dec. 05, 2016 11:09 am

going to assume you have the draw center grate, if not it's available from woodsmans too.

is the panel in front of the load door missing ? that will be hardest to find but not critical if using as circulator and secondary source.

steve
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Post Mon. Dec. 05, 2016 11:11 am

You have to hunt thru the pages a bit to find pics...
This is a good reference page for part nums...
http://www.woodstove-parts.com/WoodStoveParts_Images/scan0057.jpg
Manual
http://a1stoves.com/warm-morning-coal-heater-manual-p-24159.html
Happy hunting...
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I stay at a Holiday Inn at least once a year!
Most of all I do have common sense and a practical application of logic.
Oh, add humor, on the dry side, along with a wee bit 'o sarcasm.

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Post Mon. Dec. 05, 2016 11:24 am

KC: Yes I have the fork and it is in good shape just not pictured. As far as the front to cover the loading door... that is mission. not really an issue since it will be in the shop. This stove is pretty rough on the eyes but hopefully she will work and pump the heat.... Safely!

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Post Wed. Dec. 07, 2016 3:40 am

Thanks CC for the parts information.

The one thing that I am a little concerned about is the trash can portion of this stove. Yes covered in firebrick but it seems thin... like 55 gal drum thin. A little hard to tell but it does not seem to be as thick as my Beckwith stove I have and that thing gets real hot and cherry red if not monitored... it needs some firebrick as well. Is it suppose to be like this. Just a little worried... this is my first stove refurb and I just want to ensure it is safe... I plan on burning it full time while it is located in the shop to help offset the temps without the cost of running electricity. Hopefully I can get some long burn times with that much volume.

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Post Wed. Dec. 07, 2016 10:24 am

AlaskaCoal1 wrote:Thanks CC for the parts information.

The one thing that I am a little concerned about is the trash can portion of this stove. Yes covered in firebrick but it seems thin... like 55 gal drum thin. A little hard to tell but it does not seem to be as thick as my Beckwith stove I have and that thing gets real hot and cherry red if not monitored... it needs some firebrick as well. Is it suppose to be like this. Just a little worried... this is my first stove refurb and I just want to ensure it is safe... I plan on burning it full time while it is located in the shop to help offset the temps without the cost of running electricity. Hopefully I can get some long burn times with that much volume.
yep, the "barrel" of these stoves is thin gauge metal. thats part of the magic of their heat transfer.

the down side is you need to check it pretty close for pin holes. fly ash tends to get between the bricks and the inside of the barrel and if left in damp areas will draw moisture and over time eats little swiss cheese holes in the barrel.
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Post Wed. Dec. 07, 2016 11:10 pm

The bricks do the protecting...
So the steel can be thinner...
It just there to hold the other parts in place...
That said do check for pin holes...
Dark room. bright lite inside stove...
Towel stuffed in smoke vent...
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I stay at a Holiday Inn at least once a year!
Most of all I do have common sense and a practical application of logic.
Oh, add humor, on the dry side, along with a wee bit 'o sarcasm.

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Location: Anderson Alaska

Post Thu. Dec. 08, 2016 10:55 am

CC I did just that. Took a shop auto light and put it inside. I saw nothing on the first review of the stove that really concerned me. I found one at the very top back just below the smoke stack but nothing else. I will do this one more time before cementing the bricks. Also think I will take an air hose to the inside bricks. The comment about ash plugging the cracks made me think best to do this and open up any areas that might show light BEFORE cementing the bricks. Hope to get her up and running this weekend.

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Post Thu. Dec. 08, 2016 9:16 pm

And have a shop vac suckin' when you hit it with air... ;)
I am not an engineer, train or otherwise!
I stay at a Holiday Inn at least once a year!
Most of all I do have common sense and a practical application of logic.
Oh, add humor, on the dry side, along with a wee bit 'o sarcasm.


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