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SAM0509
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Post Fri. Feb. 13, 2009 11:00 pm

IMG_1892, IMG_1893, IMG_1894, IMG_1895, IMG_1896, IMG_1897 Here are some pics of my stove, the brick that is breaking off and inside of the stove.i spoke with the people that have serviced it before and they told me to just simply go to any fireplace shop and get new refractory brick.I spoke with someone there and they asked what size I needed. I said ????? he then asked about the stove I told him that it was a Godin coal and wood stove (although I found burning wood brought the stack temp way too high) anyway I also told him I thought it was at least 10 years old and was oval shaped.He then proceeded to tell me that he did not think that that style of brick was made anymore because it had to be curved.He told me he had not seen this in about 20 years.This troubled me because the person I have service it said it was a simple job no troubles.After being at the stove shop I'm not thinking so. They also felt the need to show me the new style of coal stoves of course, but this makes me wonder if he just wanted me to just buy new instead of helping me repair it.If anyone knows anything about this style of brick or other proper and safe way to fix this I would greatly appreciate it because I have been using gas now for 3 days straight, thats the most I have ever had to before.


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Freddy
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 130 (pea)
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Coal Size/Type: Pea size, Superior, deep mined
Location: Orrington, Maine

Post Sat. Feb. 14, 2009 5:22 am

Ohhhh, the pictures didn't make the trip. Did you click "add the file" after each pic?

The brick are commonly called stove brick, or half brick. I think the salesman may be right, the curved ones are a thing of the past. Buy a $8 diamond blade for a skill saw & , with care, you'll be able to cut angles on the sides of the brick and make them fit. You'll also fill the entire county with dust so do it outside & wear a decent mask.
I saw some at a local hardware store for $5 each, but the brickyard has them for $2.
Orrington, Maine
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Halleys5
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Reading Juanita
Stove/Furnace Make: Alaska
Stove/Furnace Model: Channing II

Post Wed. Oct. 07, 2009 3:05 pm

I'm hoping that there is some help out there for me...

I'm a coal newbie, bought a 12+ year old Alaska Channing 2, in good shape. Cleaned up nice all blowers seem to work well, bored out the combustion air holes, built a tile pedestal to set it on, and I'm ready to go.

But now for the flue, I need(want) to buy an outside negative pressure direct vent (for safety) but the ones I've looked at say I should be getting a 3" or 4" based on my BTUs, my top vent Channing is 6". Does a guy just neck it down??? And I guess I need an additional air damper somewhere inside but how do I set it? How do I adjust the direct vent so it's not just over-cranking the combustion fan and making the stoker run faster than it should?
Wish I had a real flue set up, but I don't. Gotta go horizontal out the wall.

Can anyone help with some "how-to" links or something step by step?
I am only going straight up from the stove about 2', then a 90, then another 16" to the exterior wall.

Also if anyone has a scan of a manual for a Channing 2, I would REALLY appreciate that.
Thanks for ANY help!
-Carter

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Halleys5
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Post Wed. Oct. 07, 2009 3:15 pm

PS Is anyone willing to recommend an outdoor power vent model and indoor damper model, I would appreciate it!!

ratdog
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Stove/Furnace Make: harmon mark 2
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Post Mon. Oct. 26, 2009 7:23 pm

Wow there are some nice people on this forum!!!! I have been reading about a barro on my new harmo. I don't have one? The stove burns hot and fast and what little I have burned it it could be burning to fast. Anyway by reading the specs on one on this sight I don't have the space? I have vented my stove in my masonary chimney with six inch stanless flex.the stove has a 17 inch pipe out the back into a tee and up the masonary fireplce it goes. I am getting a little scared after reading some of the post. Anyone in the odenton MD area?

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wlape3
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Alaska 140 Auger
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Other Heating: Propane
Stove/Furnace Make: Alaska
Location: Delanson, NY transitioning to SE Mass

Post Mon. Oct. 26, 2009 8:02 pm

Halleys5 wrote:PS Is anyone willing to recommend an outdoor power vent model and indoor damper model, I would appreciate it!!
I use an Alaska power vent myself. Think it was $500 two years ago. It is all stainless steel and comes with an internal damper. It works well with my Alaska furnace.
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Post Fri. Jan. 08, 2010 11:18 pm

Wood'nCoal wrote:
I always keep a barrel of sand around so if I ever need to put a deep bed coal fire out quick
I have a 50 lb. bag of Sodium Bicarbonate.
Where does one get a 50 Lb bag of Sodium Bicarbonate?

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lowfog01
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Post Sat. Jan. 09, 2010 8:17 am

grumpy wrote: Where does one get a 50 Lb bag of Sodium Bicarbonate?
II never did find a 50 lb bag of baking soda but I got a 10 lb bag at Costco. Personally, I think 50 lbs for my Harman Hand fired stove would be over kill; 10 lbs and cutting the air off should do it for me. I think you could probably find the larger bags on the internet. Fire fighting professionals apparently use them to put out chimney fires by dropping them down the chimney. Just do a search on fire safety equipment or the like, hopefully, something will pop up. Good luck, Lisa
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Stoker Coal Boiler: 1959 EFM 350
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Baseburners & Antiques: Sears Signal Oak 15 & Andes Kitchen Range
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert
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Post Thu. Jan. 28, 2010 8:55 pm

grumpy wrote:
Wood'nCoal wrote: I have a 50 lb. bag of Sodium Bicarbonate.
Where does one get a 50 Lb bag of Sodium Bicarbonate?
Swimming pool supply, used to adjust the PH in pool water.
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70marlin
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Post Thu. Oct. 20, 2011 1:49 pm

Annually an ABC fire extinguisher, you need to invert the unit and fluff the dry chemical, the reason is the dry chemical will compact; if the unit is discharged you will only get compress gas out of the unit, not the powder. I gently tap the inverted unit with a rubber dead blow hammer to fluff it up. The safety pin needs to be pulled then reinstalled with a new anti-tamper seal. Every six years it needs to be re-charged and certified. Then every twelve years the unit needs to be hydro tested and recharged and certified. Also you need to size the extinguisher to the load you’re trying to put out. I feel the 1lbs bags of Sodium Bicarbonate is a must for every stove. I think I’d have some in the basement and on the main floor for a chimney fire. (Remember most of us aren’t firemen; let the pro’s do what there trained for!)

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ValterBorges
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Post Thu. Oct. 20, 2011 7:42 pm

Valter

S260 w/ Indirect 80 Gal Elec. Tank, Propane Backup - Heating 5,700 sqft + pool.

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rickv0315
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Post Fri. Jan. 13, 2012 5:02 pm

Are there any special requirements for chimneys for coal stoves? Or can I hook up my coal stove(when I get one) to my existing wood stove pipe/chimney?

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Dennis
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Post Fri. Jan. 13, 2012 5:13 pm

rickv,
yes you can. Clean the chimney from cresote and dirt and hook it up. Depending upon your stove you may need a baro damper or a MPD and a manometer is good to adjust your draft and make sure that you have enough draft.Just ask questions if needed,everyone here is willing to help.

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titleist1
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Harman Mag Stoker (old style) one in basement, one in workshop
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III on standby for long power outages
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite; Nut/Anthracite
Location: Cecil County, MD

Post Fri. Jan. 13, 2012 5:22 pm

Make sure the size of the flue pipe that you have in place matches with the size the coal stove requires. Other than that, as long as it is clean and has no obstructions, it should work as long as the draft is adequate. Coal exhaust is usually much cooler than wood exhaust so a marginal draft that worked for wood may not work as well with a coal stove.
I drive a VW TDI, heat my home & workshop with two coal stokers and have two vintage JD diesel tractors....
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ValterBorges
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Post Fri. Jan. 13, 2012 6:21 pm

Halleys5 wrote:PS Is anyone willing to recommend an outdoor power vent model and indoor damper model, I would appreciate it!!
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Valter

S260 w/ Indirect 80 Gal Elec. Tank, Propane Backup - Heating 5,700 sqft + pool.


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