Why so hard to find electricians
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Companies that do drug testing as a criteria for employment are rejecting 40 percent or more of applicants on this basis alone.
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A fifth of the country is on opioids, alcoholism is way up as is pot smoking. Companies have to test for these or not get insured. Who needs electricians anyway? Red is ground yes Rob? What happened to Yanche?
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Every electrician I ever knew of wanted to remove someone's "shorts"!
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At least, check them out.McGiever wrote:Every electrician I ever knew of wanted to remove someone's "shorts"!
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I blame social media and brainwash tv on the decline of skilled labor. If your not in a suit and tie for a job you have failed is the horrible message I see portrayed. They don't advertise the opportunity folks have with a good strong set of skills. 6figures can be made with skills and be being blue collar
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Down here it is "Pedro" doing the wiring and the plumbing and....well you know....they can't speak good english let alone know the code. I am NOT kidding.
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But that is such a Bargain, No?KLook wrote:Down here it is "Pedro" doing the wiring and the plumbing and....well you know....they can't speak good english let alone know the code. I am NOT kidding.
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or as I say, Hose A and Hose B
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And lets not forget that everyone should go to college, it's the only way to get ahead in this world. Spend stupid amounts of money that you can't afford to pay back so you too can be a flipper at McDonalds.anthony7812 wrote:I blame social media and brainwash tv on the decline of skilled labor. If your not in a suit and tie for a job you have failed is the horrible message I see portrayed. They don't advertise the opportunity folks have with a good strong set of skills. 6figures can be made with skills and be being blue collar
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There's been a huge premium placed on a bachelor's degree since the GI bill after WWII. Since the later 1980's, too much so to raise the costs to current levels. I see kids now coming out pf a 4 year degree program with 100k in loans that will take them decades to pay off. It's hurting the ground floor of the economy. There's other threads about this condition being the next bubble to burst.
Edit: I left this thread and read some emails, one that listed college grad earnings after 10 years from 35 New Jersey colleges (my state). It doesn't say where they earned their living but it ranges from $33,500 for a county college grad to $83,700 for a Steven's Institute grad. Who knows what they had to borrow.
What can a skilled tradesman make? I guess within this range?
These 35 N.J. colleges have the highest-paid grads
Edit: I left this thread and read some emails, one that listed college grad earnings after 10 years from 35 New Jersey colleges (my state). It doesn't say where they earned their living but it ranges from $33,500 for a county college grad to $83,700 for a Steven's Institute grad. Who knows what they had to borrow.
What can a skilled tradesman make? I guess within this range?
These 35 N.J. colleges have the highest-paid grads
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A smart motivated high school graduate can do that after 10 years and maybe even better without any debt. Skilled tradesmen make good money but may get a bit dirty doing it. Today's youth are alergic to getting dirty.VigIIPeaBurner wrote:There's been a huge premium placed on a bachelor's degree since the GI bill after WWII. Since the later 1980's, too much so to raise the costs to current levels. I see kids now coming out pf a 4 year degree program with 100k in loans that will take them decades to pay off. It's hurting the ground floor of the economy. There's other threads about this condition being the next bubble to burst.
Edit: I left this thread and read some emails, one that listed college grad earnings after 10 years from 35 New Jersey colleges (my state). It doesn't say where they earned their living but it ranges from $33,500 for a county college grad to $83,700 for a Steven's Institute grad. Who knows what they had to borrow.
What can a skilled tradesman make? I guess within this range?
These 35 N.J. colleges have the highest-paid grads
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Or sticking to something that doesn't instantly provide a nice house, nice car, women, etc. Not all of them but it seems a majority. Then again it was probably said of my generation too, and the one prior, and on and on.
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When I got my free hot water tank the only thing I had to do or pay for was run the 220 line over, I left the cover off so they could see the job. The guy looked & asked if I did it myself so I asked if there was anything wrong, he said nothing wrong but it was too neat for an electrician from around these parts.
When I got my journeyman papers it was all paid for by my employer thru their apprentice program but very few do it now.
When I got my journeyman papers it was all paid for by my employer thru their apprentice program but very few do it now.
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Maybe so on both counts. There's a lot of millennials out there that aren't living or striving for the flashy lifestyle. The flashy ones catch our attention but thru my kids I see a lot of them doing hard work - kids with law degrees working trades, farm labor, janitors, and waiting tables. They're out there. Honestly, if my father got his electrician licence in the 60s when the contractor he worked for offered to pay for it, I'd probably have done that for a living too. Might have been better lifestyle than 35 years of 24/7 x365 rotating swing shiftscabinover wrote:Or sticking to something that doesn't instantly provide a nice house, nice car, women, etc. Not all of them but it seems a majority. Then again it was probably said of my generation too, and the one prior, and on and on.
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Being an "electrician" is a very broad term. There are often misinformed sterotyped ideas assumed.
Between residential, commercial and industrial types of work there are some common skills but yet each have some separate skills required that are very much unlike the other types.
Being control savvy is definitly a rare specialty and need never to be assumed universally in their job description.
Engineers are generally the ones to design control circuits and an electrician who gains many hours of "trouble shooting skills" can/will gain good insight into sorting out what was, is, or should of been happening in a control system.
Even following a wiring schematic from "scratch" take some different skills as the diagram is far from looking as what needs to be physcically installed and assembled together to make things work.
Even being trained some in a classroom on controls is only a small sampling compared to the necessary experience needed to be learned hands-on out on the job...if ever such rare opportunity(s) comes along.
Then there is the contractor's viewpoint on transfer of knowledge/specialty skills from the "sooner to leave the trade experinced hands" over to the "newer remaining hands" and how far sighted or short sighted he might be towards maintaining still yet some valuable highly skilled workers...usually his "bottom line" gets in the way ...but I digress.
Between residential, commercial and industrial types of work there are some common skills but yet each have some separate skills required that are very much unlike the other types.
Being control savvy is definitly a rare specialty and need never to be assumed universally in their job description.
Engineers are generally the ones to design control circuits and an electrician who gains many hours of "trouble shooting skills" can/will gain good insight into sorting out what was, is, or should of been happening in a control system.
Even following a wiring schematic from "scratch" take some different skills as the diagram is far from looking as what needs to be physcically installed and assembled together to make things work.
Even being trained some in a classroom on controls is only a small sampling compared to the necessary experience needed to be learned hands-on out on the job...if ever such rare opportunity(s) comes along.
Then there is the contractor's viewpoint on transfer of knowledge/specialty skills from the "sooner to leave the trade experinced hands" over to the "newer remaining hands" and how far sighted or short sighted he might be towards maintaining still yet some valuable highly skilled workers...usually his "bottom line" gets in the way ...but I digress.