Summer Coal Bin Project to Feed My Yellow Flame

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Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
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Location: PA, Southern York County!

Post Sun. Jun. 22, 2014 8:15 pm

As some of you know, last Christmas I temporarily installed a Yellow Flame stoker boiler in my garage. The thought was; it was Winter, I didn't want to take apart the heating system that was in use, I also didn't want to take apart my basement coal bin (full of coal) to make room for the boiler. So, I put the boiler in the garage.

After running the boiler in the garage for half the Winter (and WOW what a Winter!) I am very pleased with the conveniance of the boiler being right there. I come home from work, park the car in the garage, empty the ashes, put in some more coal, Done! All before I even get in the house. With the boiler in the garage, the garage is heated. It's great in the winter when the snow blower and the plow tractor are in a heated garage! The downside is less garage space, maybe I will add on.

Anyway, this means I need coal storage in the garage. I started by removing one of my 8' garage doors and framing the doorway with pressure treated 2x4's and covering the outside with pressure treated plywood.
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Then I took the garage door pannels and screwed them to the plywood at the 2x4's.
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Looks fairly normal from the outside. I need to put up some white trim and it will look fine.

Next I put bat inulation in the new wall and covered it with pressure treated plywood.
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Then I built the walls.
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Continued...
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Stoker Coal Boiler: BairMatic BMC-500 with Van Wert VA400 Stoker, Gentleman Janitor GJ-671/EFM S-15 stoker, Van Wert VA-600
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
Location: PA, Southern York County!

Post Sun. Jun. 22, 2014 8:28 pm

I attached the base 2x4's with this.
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I inherited it from my Father, he got it sometime in the 70's. It will shoot nails through just about anything!
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The bin is about 12' long by 4' wide, a 4'x8' section is 5' high, the section by the boiler is 4' high. I have 5 ton of rice on order, I hope it all fits!
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-Don
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Location: Junction of PA-OH-WV

Post Sun. Jun. 22, 2014 8:38 pm

Any cables or struts tying the top rail of the 12' front wall to the fixed back wall so as to not allow the top to spread?
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Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
Location: PA, Southern York County!

Post Sun. Jun. 22, 2014 8:43 pm

I'm planning on installing hooks at about 3' high in 3 places over the 12' run. Then attach a chain with a turnbuckle across the bin to hold it untill the coal level goes down. I will go out and get that stuff this week sometime.

Thank you,

-Don
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Location: N/E Ohio, between Medina and Wadsworth

Post Sun. Jun. 22, 2014 8:53 pm

Looking good! Did you have to sacrifice a garage door to the bin, or am I looking at it wrong?
-Larry

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Post Sun. Jun. 22, 2014 9:02 pm

StokerDon wrote:I'm planning on installing hooks at about 3' high in 3 places over the 12' run. Then attach a chain with a turnbuckle across the bin to hold it untill the coal level goes down. I will go out and get that stuff this week sometime.

Thank you,

-Don
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Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
Location: PA, Southern York County!

Post Sun. Jun. 22, 2014 10:18 pm

lsayre wrote:Looking good! Did you have to sacrifice a garage door to the bin, or am I looking at it wrong?
It's not much of a sacrifice Larry. The garage has a 16' door on the other side. The two 8' doors are rearly ever used also, they are uninsulated and don't seal well.
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I won't miss the old crappy door. My coal actualy froze in the bottom of the bin last winter, while the rest of the garage was 60 degrees. Getting the coal in summer this year should give it plenty of time to dry out and the insulated wall will keep it from getting too cold.

Thank you,

-Don
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Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite; Nut/Anthracite
Location: Cecil County, MD

Post Mon. Jun. 23, 2014 6:05 am

Looking good StokerDon!! :up:

How does the rice get into the bin, a chute from the other garage door?

I simply used 2 x 6 stretchers across the top of my bin screwed into the top plates to keep it from spreading. They give me something to stand on when needed also. Mine is 8' though, not 12' like yours, and with my sloped sides I only hold about 2 ton so your extra weight in there may need the chain set up.
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Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
Location: PA, Southern York County!

Post Mon. Jun. 23, 2014 8:18 pm

titleist1 wrote:Looking good StokerDon!! :up:

How does the rice get into the bin, a chute from the other garage door?

I simply used 2 x 6 stretchers across the top of my bin screwed into the top plates to keep it from spreading. They give me something to stand on when needed also. Mine is 8' though, not 12' like yours, and with my sloped sides I only hold about 2 ton so your extra weight in there may need the chain set up.
This one is just a basic flat bottom. I didn't want to get to crazy with the coal bin design, if I add onto the garage, the coal bin and boiler will be moving again. So, it's just a basic box that coal gets dumped into.

To answer your question about how the coal will get into the bin...

Right through the top of that window.
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My coal guy Ben should like that entry. Drive right around to the other side of the garage, put the upper section of the window down, slide the shute in and let'er rip!

I just hope this thing will hold 5 ton. Using 42 qubic feet per ton, I may need to put a few hundered pounds in the back of the truck for a while.

-Don
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Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite; Nut/Anthracite
Location: Cecil County, MD

Post Mon. Jun. 23, 2014 10:47 pm

StokerDon wrote: I just hope this thing will hold 5 ton. Using 42 qubic feet per ton, I may need to put a few hundered pounds in the back of the truck for a while.

-Don
Use the truck held coal last and then all winter it will give you that extra weight for traction during snow events.

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Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
Location: PA, Southern York County!

Post Sat. Jun. 28, 2014 7:37 pm

All ready for 5 ton of coal! I can't wait to see it in there!
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3 sets of hooks, chains and turnbuckels at 3 foot off the ground to hold the walls together.
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The coal shoot veiw, in through the top of the window.
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After reading a few more coal bin threads, it seems that a 12'x4'x4' will hold 4.8 ton. About one third of this one is 5' high. So I'm think'in this will hold 5 ton or so.

-Don
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Location: N/E Ohio, between Medina and Wadsworth

Post Sat. Jun. 28, 2014 8:26 pm

I have no clue regarding the volume of your bin, but by inference from all of the above I'm guessing you can shoe horn in 5.8 tons.

I use 1.3 cubic yards per ton. Thats ~35 cubic feet per ton.
-Larry

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Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
Location: PA, Southern York County!

Post Sat. Jun. 28, 2014 8:32 pm

Thanks Larry, 5.8 ton should be just right.

-Don
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Location: N/E Ohio, between Medina and Wadsworth

Post Sat. Jun. 28, 2014 8:43 pm

My figures seem to work for Stockton (Coal contractors), but many other anthracite blends are not as dense as Stockton Mine sourced coal. If you fill it to the brim, then you will know.

I believe that forum member 'Lightning' calculated his Coal Contractors nut to be 34 cubic feet per ton. That would be 1.26 cubic yards per ton. It's seriously dense stuff.
-Larry

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Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
Location: PA, Southern York County!

Post Sun. Jun. 29, 2014 12:55 pm

This will be Blaschak coal. The Blaschak seems a little on the light side, My 5 gallon buckets that I use to fill the hopper are about 35 pounds of coal. Other posts have listed 5 gallon buckets containing closer to 40 pounds of coal (rice). So the Blaschak will take up a little more space than some others.

-Don
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