How Much Coal Is Wasted Per Day Through a Barometric Damper?

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Post Thu. Dec. 26, 2013 11:54 am

Carbon12 wrote:I foiled over my Baro and closed the air slots on the combustion and stoker blower so I wouldn't lose any heat up the chimney,.....the stoker keeps running and running but now the house is cold. What am I doing wrong??? ;)
Uh..... is the fire still burning? :lol:

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Post Thu. Dec. 26, 2013 1:27 pm

C-12: You have CHOKED the air supply to the unit so badly, it is essentially dead. Where the hell do these wacko ideas come from......or were you just joking???

If it is not a joke, perhaps you need a pellet stove and just need to junk the idea of burning coal. :shock: :mad: :idea:
I know C-12 is clowning around, why do we get sucked into a topic that is not a topic........larry, did you have something to do with this???? :shock: WTF is going on......
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Post Thu. Dec. 26, 2013 1:29 pm

I'm sure he was kidding :lol:

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Post Thu. Dec. 26, 2013 2:36 pm

Carbon12 wrote:I foiled over my Baro and closed the air slots on the combustion and stoker blower so I wouldn't lose any heat up the chimney,.....the stoker keeps running and running but now the house is cold. What am I doing wrong??? ;)
Don't laugh, I have had similar calls. :shock:
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Post Thu. Dec. 26, 2013 2:55 pm

whistlenut wrote:WTF is going on......
Maniac coal burners left to their own devices.... :eek2: :smoke:


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Post Thu. Dec. 26, 2013 3:03 pm

Hmmmm, interesting :clap: toothy
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Post Thu. Dec. 26, 2013 3:25 pm

whistlenut wrote:I know C-12 is clowning around, why do we get sucked into a topic that is not a topic........larry, did you have something to do with this???? :shock: WTF is going on......
Not since I tied up loose ends on oil boilers and baros at least 4 pages back. Since then this thread has gone where no man has gone before. :shock: :?
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Post Thu. Dec. 26, 2013 4:27 pm

Larry is innocent! Release him immediately! I was goofing on y'all. :oops: I thought my attempt at humor would be obvious. The public stoning may commence. Nut or larger size, please.
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Post Thu. Dec. 26, 2013 5:11 pm

No, no nut; no stove; barley from a Gatling Gun...you need to suffer!!!! Barley with rock salt.......and thumb tacks.......

I was scared that someone really did try this. PT Barnam said there is one born any minute....and perhaps they are burning coal at some remote location in the foothills of the Poconos'!!! :shock: :lol: :idea: :sick: :mad:
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Post Thu. Dec. 26, 2013 6:21 pm

whistlenut wrote:No, no nut; no stove; barley from a Gatling Gun...you need to suffer!!!! Barley with rock salt.......and thumb tacks.......

I was scared that someone really did try this. PT Barnam said there is one born any minute....and perhaps they are burning coal at some remote location in the foothills of the Poconos'!!! :shock: :lol: :idea: :sick: :mad:
I was scared because someone had! If anyone ever calls the shop and gets the idea I am grumpy, or not in such a great mood. It is usually after hearing about someone doing something that careless .
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Post Fri. Dec. 27, 2013 11:11 pm

Over 24 hours without a new post??? Did my little faux pas kill the thread that never would die??? I guess time will tell. :nice: :rockon: :cheers:
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Post Sat. Dec. 28, 2013 8:15 am

:chop: :surrender: :out: It was time grass hopper.
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Post Sat. Dec. 28, 2013 9:03 pm

Wow... this was quite a thread. Not completely surprising, given that there
is always a lot of banter on the subject..

The math stuff was good.
The science stuff was good.
Make up air... draft air... negative pressure... chimney effect.
Lot's of good stuff.

I'd just like to add this, with regard to wasting/saving.
I think those that have tried many combinations, are in a better
position to offer their results.
Not to be confused with scientific fact.
But let's face it, we are talking about real world
"what you got"...

I have used no damper.. MPD.... baro.
Currently I have all three options, giving a lot of combinations.

Know what?
I burn the same amount of coal just about every year.
House is about the same. Heating season about the same.
I can honestly say that I have not saved or wasted any substantial
amount with any of them.

In all fairness, my draft fluctuation is not that great.
When talking with a Harman rep, and asking about the
occasional spike to .08-1.0, he said 'what's the problem?'
Coal is so slow to react to occasional flux, that he doubted you would ever
notice a difference.
I did not ask what he thought of MPD's, because obviously he would
not give me an answer, that would differ from their brochures..
But plenty of people use them.
And the "death threat", is really not founded, as annually there
is usually none.. It's generators, and kerosene space heaters
that kill more via CO.

My opinion is that all of the air has to come from outside.
No matter what.
To think that the baro is taking in 70° is tons better than 300 in the pipe,
is not taking into account that you heated the air, to that 70 degrees.
And... when your stovepipe is hotter, it is radiating some of that heat
that you think is all wasted.. I have nearly as much surface area of pipe,
as I do stove. So that heat, is staying in the house.

Wrapping up... (if you don't have crazy draft, like some do, I understand)
I really don't see any waste/gain to get too excited about either way..
Between baro vs. MPD

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Post Mon. Jan. 06, 2014 7:10 pm

Hello boys,.......I'm baaaaaack! I feel bad I seem to have killed this thread. Someone bring it back to life! Lots of good banter here!
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