Alaska 140 dual paddle. Help please!

 
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Post by waytomany?s » Tue. Nov. 22, 2022 9:14 am

What are the current settings?


 
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Post by Agn5009 » Tue. Nov. 22, 2022 10:34 am

waytomany?s wrote:
Tue. Nov. 22, 2022 9:14 am
What are the current settings?
6 on the idle and 40 on the t-stat. It’s 35 degrees outside. I have the wall thermostat set to 68 and it’s currently 64 in my house.

 
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Post by waytomany?s » Tue. Nov. 22, 2022 11:33 am

And it's pushing coal off at a setting of 40?

 
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Post by Agn5009 » Tue. Nov. 22, 2022 11:35 am

waytomany?s wrote:
Tue. Nov. 22, 2022 11:33 am
And it's pushing coal off at a setting of 40?
Yes

 
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Post by waytomany?s » Tue. Nov. 22, 2022 11:41 am

Then turn it back so you have the 1" band of ash at the end of the grate. That is supposed to be your max. You have to get that part fixed before you can move on to find whatever else is the problem.

 
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Post by Agn5009 » Tue. Nov. 22, 2022 11:50 am

How do I figure out what other problem there is? I turned it back to my original setting. Just don’t understand why I set my thermostat to 68 and it refuses to get there… especially in mid 30 degree weather. I’m gonna have to try two burners at night which kind of sucks. I’m gonna go through col like crazy

 
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Post by waytomany?s » Tue. Nov. 22, 2022 11:55 am

Agn5009 wrote:
Tue. Nov. 22, 2022 11:50 am
How do I figure out what other problem there is? I turned it back to my original setting. Just don’t understand why I set my thermostat to 68 and it refuses to get there… especially in mid 30 degree weather. I’m gonna have to try two burners at night which kind of sucks. I’m gonna go through col like crazy
You have to make each change and see the results. You may very well have a blower issue or fan switch issue, but you need to get the stove to run as intended. It could be an air flow issue, who knows. Changing the high limit repeatedly will not solve a different problem. Eliminate things one at a time. You will get it, just takes some time. You are obviously committed to making it work, hang in there.


 
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Post by Pauliewog » Tue. Nov. 22, 2022 12:49 pm

My 140 is an older model and has a different control.

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In the warm weather when the outside temperature is in the 50's I turn my idle down to where it just maintains about an inch of burning coal.

Once the outside temperature drops into the 40's during the day I turn the idle up to where it's burning about 1/2 of my grate and it stays in that position for the remainder of the winter.

The thermostat control knob on mine determines how quick the feeder responds to my upstairs
programmable wall thermostat which is set at 71* F.

If this knobs is set too low it takes forever to bring the room temperature back up to 71* when the outside temperature drops into the 20's.

If it is set to high it will overshoot the upstairs thermostat setting and push burning coal off my feeder.

It took me a few days to dial mine in but once It was.... I have been using the same settings for the past 10 years.

The only time I change it is when I light the second burner when the outside temperature goes into the teens or single digits. The only thing I change then is to lower the idle a bit.

I'm running the rear feeder 100% of the time. When the second feeder is required, I just take a small long handled shovel and scoop a shovel of burning coal onto the second feeder, cover it with another shovel of fresh coal from my hopper and plug in the second feeder and combustion fan.

90% of the time our house rarely has a 2 degree differential from my upstairs thermostat setting.

If you were closer, I would have stopped over and gave you a hand setting it up.

I have an Alaska single paddle feed in the stove shop that has a single control with no wall thermostat that does a great job also.

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Hope this helps and hang in there !

Paulie

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Post by Agn5009 » Fri. Dec. 02, 2022 10:20 am

Pauliewog wrote:
Tue. Nov. 22, 2022 12:49 pm
My 140 is an older model and has a different control.


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In the warm weather when the outside temperature is in the 50's I turn my idle down to where it just maintains about an inch of burning coal.

Once the outside temperature drops into the 40's during the day I turn the idle up to where it's burning about 1/2 of my grate and it stays in that position for the remainder of the winter.

The thermostat control knob on mine determines how quick the feeder responds to my upstairs
programmable wall thermostat which is set at 71* F.

If this knobs is set too low it takes forever to bring the room temperature back up to 71* when the outside temperature drops into the 20's.

If it is set to high it will overshoot the upstairs thermostat setting and push burning coal off my feeder.

It took me a few days to dial mine in but once It was.... I have been using the same settings for the past 10 years.

The only time I change it is when I light the second burner when the outside temperature goes into the teens or single digits. The only thing I change then is to lower the idle a bit.

I'm running the rear feeder 100% of the time. When the second feeder is required, I just take a small long handled shovel and scoop a shovel of burning coal onto the second feeder, cover it with another shovel of fresh coal from my hopper and plug in the second feeder and combustion fan.

90% of the time our house rarely has a 2 degree differential from my upstairs thermostat setting.

If you were closer, I would have stopped over and gave you a hand setting it up.

I have an Alaska single paddle feed in the stove shop that has a single control with no wall thermostat that does a great job also.


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Hope this helps and hang in there !

Paulie

Thanks for all the help Paulie. I still seem to be getting a lot of unburnt coal. I have my t stat set at 30 out of 100 and my idle is set to “Low” out of 100. Do you think I should turn the idle up? My fire never goes out. I guess I thought I should have that on the lowest setting possible without the fire going out. It keeps the house right around 66 when I have my wall thermostat set at 69.

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Post by CoalKracker » Mon. Dec. 05, 2022 1:09 am

If you are not pushing the burning coals off of the edge and you are still getting unburned coal in your ash then you may have ash buildup under your grates plugging up the lower holes and preventing full combustion. Or....that's not unburned coal in your ash.

 
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Post by Agn5009 » Mon. Dec. 05, 2022 2:47 pm

CoalKracker wrote:
Mon. Dec. 05, 2022 1:09 am
If you are not pushing the burning coals off of the edge and you are still getting unburned coal in your ash then you may have ash buildup under your grates plugging up the lower holes and preventing full combustion. Or....that's not unburned coal in your ash.
I cleaned under the grates a few weeks ago.. it sure looks like coal. And quite a bit of it.

 
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Post by CoalKracker » Mon. Dec. 05, 2022 3:13 pm

Ok so under your grates are clean and your not pushing burning coal off of the edge so technically you should be getting full combustion. That may not be coal you are seeing. It could be bone, which in rice coal is sometimes hard to see since the pieces are small. I'm not saying it is but you are doing everything correctly for full combustion so maybe you have some "junk" mixed in with your coal.

 
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Post by Black_And_Blue » Mon. Dec. 05, 2022 4:32 pm

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Is this air distribution tee not connected to anything?

 
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Post by Agn5009 » Mon. Dec. 05, 2022 7:45 pm

Black_And_Blue wrote:
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Is this air distribution tee not connected to anything?
Nope. That has a shut off valve. I usually leave it open just a little to blow heat in the basement then it radiates to 3 bedrooms, bathroom, kitchen and dining room.

 
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Post by waytomany?s » Mon. Dec. 05, 2022 8:53 pm

CoalKracker wrote:
Mon. Dec. 05, 2022 3:13 pm
Ok so under your grates are clean and your not pushing burning coal off of the edge so technically you should be getting full combustion. That may not be coal you are seeing. It could be bone, which in rice coal is sometimes hard to see since the pieces are small. I'm not saying it is but you are doing everything correctly for full combustion so maybe you have some "junk" mixed in with your coal.
Go back up and look at the pic of the ash on the coal scoop. It does look like unburnt coal. Was it still pushing burning coal off when you took that picture?


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