New house
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So i have been burning a keystoker 90 for 4 yrs, was in a 1000sq ft double wide so heated easily having it at one end of the house and i usually only used maybe 2ton a year and kept house very toasty.
Well i just moved into an 1880s farm house with a few additions and its around 2700sq ft.
Has 2 woodstove inserts...1 in kitchen and 1 in a living room opposite end house.
It has a full basement with an oil furnace, it seems there is ducts to all the rooms but they have electric baseboards in most of the rooms as well which seems odd.
What would be the best setup for my keystoker?
There is only 1 chimney that goes to the basement for the furnace so im guessing i wld have to use metal pipe and go out a basement window or something for the keystoker. How best to tie into the ductwork so that i can still.use the oil furnace on shoulder heating times. Unsure how well the keystoker will do in this much larger house. I figured basement would be best spot as house isnt really set up with direct air paths like the double wide was.
Thanks for any help n tips.
Well i just moved into an 1880s farm house with a few additions and its around 2700sq ft.
Has 2 woodstove inserts...1 in kitchen and 1 in a living room opposite end house.
It has a full basement with an oil furnace, it seems there is ducts to all the rooms but they have electric baseboards in most of the rooms as well which seems odd.
What would be the best setup for my keystoker?
There is only 1 chimney that goes to the basement for the furnace so im guessing i wld have to use metal pipe and go out a basement window or something for the keystoker. How best to tie into the ductwork so that i can still.use the oil furnace on shoulder heating times. Unsure how well the keystoker will do in this much larger house. I figured basement would be best spot as house isnt really set up with direct air paths like the double wide was.
Thanks for any help n tips.
- McGiever
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You have a "long row to hoe" there.
So, your 90K Keystoker is to take the place of what size oil furnace?
Does that around 2700sq ft 1880s farm house with a few additions have insulated walls in the basement?
How about the house's walls and attic insulation R ratings? Windows and doors?
Are you hoping to also heat a upper second floor level?
Answer these Q's and get us some pictures of oil furnace and ducts, please.
Oh, you could change-over to a "PowerVent" for the oil furnace and then use that "chimney that goes to the basement" for your coal appliance.
So, your 90K Keystoker is to take the place of what size oil furnace?
Does that around 2700sq ft 1880s farm house with a few additions have insulated walls in the basement?
How about the house's walls and attic insulation R ratings? Windows and doors?
Are you hoping to also heat a upper second floor level?
Answer these Q's and get us some pictures of oil furnace and ducts, please.
Oh, you could change-over to a "PowerVent" for the oil furnace and then use that "chimney that goes to the basement" for your coal appliance.
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I am unsure on the insulation aspect but pretty much all the windows are new. Tge second floor is only a fraction of the main level...see attached pic for reference.(red blotch shows aprox furnace location and the blue splotches location of woodstove inserts)
Furnace seems to b a standard octopus setup.
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- McGiever
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- Stoker Coal Boiler: AXEMAN-ANDERSON 130 "1959"
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- Hand Fed Coal Stove: Warm Morning 414A
- Coal Size/Type: PEA,NUT,STOVE /ANTHRACITE
- Other Heating: Ground Source Heat Pump and some Solar
Very nicely done!
Furnace. 125K output and appears not used very much with the stove-pipe galvanizing looking still near new.
Only way recommended for a basement install there would be after a 4 foot band of (rigid board) insulation was added all 236 linear feet around the perimeter. Hang it from starting high at sill plate down the 4 feet for now...maybe you will see the value and finish it to floor at a later date, but any success to start heating from the basement needs that 4 foot for starters. Also band joists and joist spaces would need some insulation also. Without basement wall insulation 90K Keystoker will have little BTUs left after foundation walls soaked up a nice percentage of it's output.
Coal savings and greater comfort level of doing it right will pay-back handsomely from first fire..
Another option...If the oil furnace in basement gets PowerVented you could then have the 3rd chimney option on the 1st floor level. You would seal the basement thimble and then access a new thimble on 1st floor into that chimney...if placement could work out for you. Something to consider???
Which of these looks doable?...need to know, as the one doesn't sit in basement...
Furnace. 125K output and appears not used very much with the stove-pipe galvanizing looking still near new.
Only way recommended for a basement install there would be after a 4 foot band of (rigid board) insulation was added all 236 linear feet around the perimeter. Hang it from starting high at sill plate down the 4 feet for now...maybe you will see the value and finish it to floor at a later date, but any success to start heating from the basement needs that 4 foot for starters. Also band joists and joist spaces would need some insulation also. Without basement wall insulation 90K Keystoker will have little BTUs left after foundation walls soaked up a nice percentage of it's output.
Coal savings and greater comfort level of doing it right will pay-back handsomely from first fire..
Another option...If the oil furnace in basement gets PowerVented you could then have the 3rd chimney option on the 1st floor level. You would seal the basement thimble and then access a new thimble on 1st floor into that chimney...if placement could work out for you. Something to consider???
Which of these looks doable?...need to know, as the one doesn't sit in basement...
- Spacecadet
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As your description of the various heaters throughout the house it seems that the house either doesn’t hold heat and/or the furnace in the basement is inadequate for the house. A long narrow home I rented back in the day had a bedrooms at both ends of the home. The front had the living room where a gas fireplace was used to heat the house. The back bedroom was always super cold. It had electric heaters in it. It was the only way to keep that end of the house warm.
With the age and general description insulation is still a key question. Since it’s 2021 now and people have been focusing on insulation for years now one could slightly assume the house does have some insulation. Either way, with the inserts and the electric heaters it seems the house has heating issues. Unfortunately I’m thinking that a side by coal furnace in the basement might not do the trick. Replacement of the 2 wood inserts with coal might be the answer.
The only other real suggestion that I read that would most likely be the overall best answer is a boiler. Unfortunately you’d have to install baseboard and all new piping thorough out the house.
Heating this new house isn’t going to be easy or efficient like your old house was.
With the age and general description insulation is still a key question. Since it’s 2021 now and people have been focusing on insulation for years now one could slightly assume the house does have some insulation. Either way, with the inserts and the electric heaters it seems the house has heating issues. Unfortunately I’m thinking that a side by coal furnace in the basement might not do the trick. Replacement of the 2 wood inserts with coal might be the answer.
The only other real suggestion that I read that would most likely be the overall best answer is a boiler. Unfortunately you’d have to install baseboard and all new piping thorough out the house.
Heating this new house isn’t going to be easy or efficient like your old house was.
Find out how much insulation is in walls an attic .I believe there are Federal tax incentives for Redoing your insulation .Check into it .Look on the forum about coal stokersask questions .If this is your Last house do it once and over all the years you will live there the Up front cost will not seem so bad .Good Luck .jack
- McGiever
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- Hand Fed Coal Stove: Warm Morning 414A
- Coal Size/Type: PEA,NUT,STOVE /ANTHRACITE
- Other Heating: Ground Source Heat Pump and some Solar
Hey, do you guys know you’re replying to a 2018 thread???
And by the way OP has already now a installed AHS 130 Coal Gun for a couple seasons.
And by the way OP has already now a installed AHS 130 Coal Gun for a couple seasons.
- Spacecadet
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Lmao. I guess we’re on top of it !!!! Lol I didn’t even check the posts age as it was only 1 page. Figured it was ‘new’ anyway...
Guess that’s what happens when ya hit ‘newest response’.
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....... hahahahahaha .... damn it. there goes another rib. If you find where planet B actually is please go there as you are wasting oxygen down hereI advise you to refit the house and install regular heating.
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Oh, he's around!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!