Hitzer 608 W/Coaltrol Help. Please.

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licavoli34
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Hitzer 608
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Coal Size/Type: Rice
Other Heating: Red Efel Kamina (Wood), Nat Gas (Rudd 80%)

Post by licavoli34 » Wed. Oct. 25, 2017 8:55 pm

Attention those who burn Rice via Stoker:

This Semi-Newbie has a Hitzer 608 with Coaltrol. I have Restored and operated an LL Hy-Fire Dual Stoker with an Older, but in my opinion, much more user friendly Coal Trol.

I am rolling with the Hitzer on night one, but would appreciate some help on the Barometric Damper and Coal Trol Settings. The LL had a built in Power Vent, bottom 6" Exhaust. I just vented it like a Wood Stove, no problem thru the Wall, up and out. Adjusted the Coal Trol and had perfect 1-3" seams near the bottom of the Grate.

This has the thru the Wall SWG Power Vent variety. Not Familiar, I am a Wood Stove Restorer for the most part. Here are my Coal Trol Settings and some pictures. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

1200 Sq. Ft. Shop with insulated 10 foot ceiling, no insulation in T-11 style Wall.

Coal Trol Settings:

Min:6
Max:50
CFT:15


Main Thermosat Set at 65. Outside Temp: 44. Almost achieved 65 in Shop. Small strip of burning Rice 5/6 of the way UP Grate, ( I assume the ignitied strip should be towards AshPan, not Hopper???)..My FR is pegged at 99 presently, and pushing.
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Post by LehighanthraciteMatt » Fri. Oct. 27, 2017 11:38 am

Your ignited strip will tend to go more towards the back of the firebox when the stove isn't pushing....

 
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Post by LehighanthraciteMatt » Fri. Oct. 27, 2017 11:44 am

Your ignited strip will tend to go more towards the back of the firebox when the stove isn't pushing....


 
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Post by LehighanthraciteMatt » Fri. Oct. 27, 2017 11:45 am

Also, it looks like you should adjust the weight on your damper inward..

 
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Hitzer 608
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Old Mill Stoker
Baseburners & Antiques: Guerney Foundry, Cleveland Stove Co-op (2), Beckwith Round Oak,
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Other Heating: Red Efel Kamina (Wood), Nat Gas (Rudd 80%)

Post by licavoli34 » Fri. Oct. 27, 2017 11:56 am

So the nice man from Hitzer asked that I check my Damper setting within my Power Vent....Low and Behold, no Damper in Vent, it had possibly broken off, and I didn't realize it had one. I was overdrafting the entire time, all the way into the Hopper when I woke up. Not crazy Hopper Fire, but it had made it's way back.. He recommended I try an old school 6" inline Damper in the Black pipe, after the Barometric, and before the 6" to 4" reducer. Otherwise I have to try to uninstall Power Vent, and skinny a new Damper in it. Wondering whether the guy I bought it from was burning for 3 years with no Damper, or ifI lost it during the uninstall and transport. He bought it off the Floor as a working display model...

 
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Joined: Sun. Nov. 30, 2014 10:23 pm
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Hitzer 608
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Old Mill Stoker
Baseburners & Antiques: Guerney Foundry, Cleveland Stove Co-op (2), Beckwith Round Oak,
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Other Heating: Red Efel Kamina (Wood), Nat Gas (Rudd 80%)

Post by licavoli34 » Mon. Oct. 30, 2017 3:42 pm

Ok, so I put a Rheostat on the Power Vent, I also installed a Damper in the Power Vent, adjusted as recommended by Hitzer. Hitzer 608 Stoker., with Coal Trol TS-2. My problem was overdrafting, back burning near Hopper/ Feeder at low Firing Rates, and low heat output.

I have the Power Vent running at 50% speed or so, and at that speed the Barometric Damper is adjusted here as pictured, and here is a picture of my Fire and Ash at the Grate, running at FR 99 on the Coaltrol trying to get this 1200 sq..Ft. shop up to 70. It is 42 with mild winds outside. 9 foot insulated Ceiling. No insulation in Walls. And I have a Carbon Monoxide Detector. Near the Stove.

Several questions:

How important is is it for the Stove to be perfectly level, or tilted slightly forward to keep the Coal moving down the Grate. I have some clinky ass Coal which isnt moving Smoothly. Will be getting fresh coal from Boslers here in NE Ohio soon.

I am not getting a burn near the far end of Grate. It is way too far back but not dangerously near Hopper/ Feed Location as before. It is burning better/nicely, after the Damper and Rheostat addition but still not optimally. Stove body is just not Hot, although it is cranking decent Heat from Convection Blower, it aint cranking, and it ain't Handling 10 dgrees outside temp in February as it is running now. I cleaned the Grate before installing, didn't see any place for additional Gaskets or Cement, other than what was already installed. Could it just be shitty Coal. Red Clunky Ash when on low settings, and Gray clunky Ash when firing all out.

I restored and ran a LL Hyfire Dual Stoker a while back, and I am assuming because it was twice the max BTUs as this Hitzer, it ran smoother? No Barometric Damper, just a nice Stack, burned perfectly.

Do we think I am Undersized with Hitzer? It seems to be made for nicely insulated Spaces, not Shops and Barns....The Old Mill I test burned with this Parragon pct. Timer burned way Hotter, and it must be 30 years old, and is slightly Smaller than the Hitzer (but much Heavier). It has a Bottom Vent, with what I am assuming to be some sort of Internal Power Vent setup.

Any thought out there on why we are not Cranking Heat???
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