Stove in Out Building

A Coal stoker furnace or stove controls most operations including automatically feeding the coal. They are quite similar to any conventional oil and gas units and easily operated for extended periods of time. They commonly use rice coal but may use larger sizes like buckwheat. They can be used as primary heat, supplementary heat or have a dual set up with your existing oil/gas furnace.
coalboy
Member
Posts: 47
Joined: Sat. May. 17, 2008 4:27 pm
Stove/Furnace Make: AxemanAnderson
Stove/Furnace Model: 1949 AA130
Location: Coal country.shamokin,trevorton area. pa

Post Mon. May. 19, 2008 3:04 pm

Hi to every one.when I decide on what coal boiler I am going to buy. I plan on putting it out in a 8x10 cement out building I have, about 20 feet from my house.My Question is. what precautions can I make to prevent freezing of water lines if I have an outage if i'm away from home when it happens.


User avatar
LsFarm
Member
Posts: 7385
Joined: Sun. Nov. 20, 2005 8:02 pm
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Self-built 'Big Bertha' SS Boiler
Baseburners & Antiques: Keystone 11, Art Garland
Location: Michigan

Post Mon. May. 19, 2008 5:39 pm

I put automotive antifreeze in my boiler and lines and water/water brazed-plate heat exchanger... My house baseboard system is still just pure water.

Greg L

.
Burning Pea/Buckwheat through an antique stoker [semi retired SSboiler],
Running an Axeman-Anderson 260M boiler burning Pea, About 150-250#per day
Farming, Fixing, Fabricating and Flying: 'spare time' what's that?

coalboy
Member
Posts: 47
Joined: Sat. May. 17, 2008 4:27 pm
Stove/Furnace Make: AxemanAnderson
Stove/Furnace Model: 1949 AA130
Location: Coal country.shamokin,trevorton area. pa

Post Mon. May. 19, 2008 5:57 pm

Greg, if I understand your answer correctly you have two heating systems .one you use the automotive anti-freeze in.and the one for your house you have plain water.
LsFarm wrote:I put automotive antifreeze in my boiler and lines and water/water brazed-plate heat exchanger... My house baseboard system is still just pure water.

Greg L

.

User avatar
LsFarm
Member
Posts: 7385
Joined: Sun. Nov. 20, 2005 8:02 pm
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Self-built 'Big Bertha' SS Boiler
Baseburners & Antiques: Keystone 11, Art Garland
Location: Michigan

Post Mon. May. 19, 2008 9:16 pm

Yes that is correct, the systems are separate, the coal-heated water goes underground into the house, where it passes through the water-to-water heat exchanger, giving up it's heat to the other water and house heating system, then it returns to the outdoor coal stove to be reheated.. The circulator pump for this hot water loop runs continously.. this costs about $10 per month.

The house heating system has the common return manifold go through the water-to-water heat exchanger on the way back to the propane boiler, the aquastat for the propane is set 20* lower than the coal boiler water temp, so the propane boiler only fires if the coal boiler goes out. The thermostats, circulators and entire baseboard house heat system works as before the coal boiler was added..

Hope the above makes sense..
Greg L

.
Burning Pea/Buckwheat through an antique stoker [semi retired SSboiler],
Running an Axeman-Anderson 260M boiler burning Pea, About 150-250#per day
Farming, Fixing, Fabricating and Flying: 'spare time' what's that?

coalboy
Member
Posts: 47
Joined: Sat. May. 17, 2008 4:27 pm
Stove/Furnace Make: AxemanAnderson
Stove/Furnace Model: 1949 AA130
Location: Coal country.shamokin,trevorton area. pa

Post Mon. May. 19, 2008 11:11 pm

Yes,I understand now. Thanks for the Reply.
LsFarm wrote:Yes that is correct, the systems are separate, the coal-heated water goes underground into the house, where it passes through the water-to-water heat exchanger, giving up it's heat to the other water and house heating system, then it returns to the outdoor coal stove to be reheated.. The circulator pump for this hot water loop runs continously.. this costs about $10 per month.

The house heating system has the common return manifold go through the water-to-water heat exchanger on the way back to the propane boiler, the aquastat for the propane is set 20* lower than the coal boiler water temp, so the propane boiler only fires if the coal boiler goes out. The thermostats, circulators and entire baseboard house heat system works as before the coal boiler was added..

Hope the above makes sense..
Greg L

.

User avatar
Freddy
Member
Posts: 6604
Joined: Fri. Apr. 11, 2008 2:54 pm
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 130 (pea)
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Reading piece o' junk in the barn (rice)
Coal Size/Type: Pea size, Superior, deep mined
Location: Orrington, Maine

Post Tue. May. 20, 2008 6:29 am

What's the difference between automotive antifreeze and boiler anti freeze? When I was doing plumbing we were not allowed to even think of using auto antifreeze in a heating system. Boiler antifreeze was about the same price, maybe just a bit higher, so no big deal.
Orrington, Maine
Fred

"If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all".

1termite
Member
Posts: 48
Joined: Tue. May. 06, 2008 8:23 pm
Stoker Coal Boiler: efm
Stove/Furnace Make: efm
Stove/Furnace Model: df520
Location: upstate ny

Post Tue. May. 20, 2008 8:47 am

my plummer told me it corrodes the copper piping and is harder on the other componates over time?

User avatar
LsFarm
Member
Posts: 7385
Joined: Sun. Nov. 20, 2005 8:02 pm
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Self-built 'Big Bertha' SS Boiler
Baseburners & Antiques: Keystone 11, Art Garland
Location: Michigan

Post Tue. May. 20, 2008 12:08 pm

I hadn't heard that there was a difference.. I had access to automotive antifreeze, so I used it. I haven't had any issues... I would think that the copper would be safe,, automotive antifreeze is used in all automotive applications.. copper radiators, aluminum radiators, cast iron blocks and heads. I've never read anything about corrosion inside a sealed system..

Greg L
Burning Pea/Buckwheat through an antique stoker [semi retired SSboiler],
Running an Axeman-Anderson 260M boiler burning Pea, About 150-250#per day
Farming, Fixing, Fabricating and Flying: 'spare time' what's that?


User avatar
Sting
Member
Posts: 2970
Joined: Mon. Feb. 25, 2008 4:24 pm
Other Heating: OBSO Lennox Pulse "Air Scorcher" burning NG
Location: Lower Fox Valley = Wisconsin

Post Tue. May. 20, 2008 12:26 pm

Automotive product is not as strong and (usually) is not as cost effective. Some of the drama associated with circulating a Glycol rich mix is loss of thermal indecency and dealing with a less than environmental friendly liquid if the wet system leaks or service needs to be done.
When you turn your boiler on -Does it return the favor?
I have finally lost my mind. Don't bother to return it. It wasn't working properly anyway!

User avatar
LsFarm
Member
Posts: 7385
Joined: Sun. Nov. 20, 2005 8:02 pm
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Self-built 'Big Bertha' SS Boiler
Baseburners & Antiques: Keystone 11, Art Garland
Location: Michigan

Post Tue. May. 20, 2008 12:55 pm

I only use enough antifreeze to protect to about +15*,,, the increase in viscosity of the circulating water is negligable... a thick glycol mix is an issue, the people with ice-melter systems for their driveways have issues with circulation of the thick fluids..

Greg L

.
Burning Pea/Buckwheat through an antique stoker [semi retired SSboiler],
Running an Axeman-Anderson 260M boiler burning Pea, About 150-250#per day
Farming, Fixing, Fabricating and Flying: 'spare time' what's that?

User avatar
coal berner
Member
Posts: 3591
Joined: Tue. Jan. 09, 2007 12:44 am
Stoker Coal Boiler: 1986 Electric Furnace Man 520 DF
Stove/Furnace Make: Electric Furnace Man
Stove/Furnace Model: DF520
Location: Pottsville PA. Schuylkill County PA. The Hart Of Anthracite Coal Country.

Post Tue. May. 20, 2008 1:48 pm

coalboy wrote:Hi to every one.when I decide on what coal boiler I am going to buy. I plan on putting it out in a 8x10 cement out building I have, about 20 feet from my house.My Question is. what precautions can I make to prevent freezing of water lines if I have an outage if i'm away from home when it happens.
My only question to you coalboy is what took you so long to go with coal being you live in one of the best Area for Anthracite :lol: Try Calivn V Lenig coal or UAE Harmony mine both have good Quality coal both are 130.00 a ton Picked up
Oh and What boiler are you looking at :?:
J.C.

Heating house & water with a 1986 electric furnace man DF520 using buckwheat Anthracite coal

coalboy
Member
Posts: 47
Joined: Sat. May. 17, 2008 4:27 pm
Stove/Furnace Make: AxemanAnderson
Stove/Furnace Model: 1949 AA130
Location: Coal country.shamokin,trevorton area. pa

Post Tue. May. 20, 2008 6:28 pm

The reason is, I just bought this house 1-1/2 years ago.so now that i'm settled in. it's time to switch to coal.My last house I had. I used a LOSH coal boiler.And it treated me very well.As far as what boiler.If I go new I'm looking at a Keystoker KA-6 or a Harman vf 3000. the kestoker dealer is only a mile up the road from me.So i'm really leaning towards the KA-6.But I recieved call today About an EFM that is for sale so I will look into that for sure First.Yes, calvin Lenig Breaker is about 6 miles from my home.There also is two other breakers around that same distance.The UAE Harmany Mine is about 12 miles.
coal berner wrote:
coalboy wrote:Hi to every one.when I decide on what coal boiler I am going to buy. I plan on putting it out in a 8x10 cement out building I have, about 20 feet from my house.My Question is. what precautions can I make to prevent freezing of water lines if I have an outage if i'm away from home when it happens.
My only question to you coalboy is what took you so long to go with coal being you live in one of the best Area for Anthracite :lol: Try Calivn V Lenig coal or UAE Harmony mine both have good Quality coal both are 130.00 a ton Picked up
Oh and What boiler are you looking at :?:

User avatar
coal berner
Member
Posts: 3591
Joined: Tue. Jan. 09, 2007 12:44 am
Stoker Coal Boiler: 1986 Electric Furnace Man 520 DF
Stove/Furnace Make: Electric Furnace Man
Stove/Furnace Model: DF520
Location: Pottsville PA. Schuylkill County PA. The Hart Of Anthracite Coal Country.

Post Tue. May. 20, 2008 6:45 pm

coalboy wrote:The reason is, I just bought this house 1-1/2 years ago.so now that i'm settled in. it's time to switch to coal.My last house I had. I used a LOSH coal boiler.And it treated me very well.As far as what boiler.If I go new I'm looking at a Keystoker KA-6 or a Harman vf 3000. the kestoker dealer is only a mile up the road from me.So i'm really leaning towards the KA-6.But I recieved call today About an EFM that is for sale so I will look into that for sure First.Yes, calvin Lenig Breaker is about 6 miles from my home.There also is two other breakers around that same distance.The UAE Harmany Mine is about 12 miles.
coal berner wrote: My only question to you coalboy is what took you so long to go with coal being you live in one of the best Area for Anthracite :lol: Try Calivn V Lenig coal or UAE Harmony mine both have good Quality coal both are 130.00 a ton Picked up
Oh and What boiler are you looking at :?:
The other two breaker's that I know of are Calvin lenig brothers they are surface mine coal The consistent & Qaulity is not the same Not like Deep mine coal like UAE or Calvins is Very good and consistent if you are interested in EFM's PM me I can help you get Refurbs or new ones do you Remember the model # on your losch
J.C.

Heating house & water with a 1986 electric furnace man DF520 using buckwheat Anthracite coal

User avatar
Freddy
Member
Posts: 6604
Joined: Fri. Apr. 11, 2008 2:54 pm
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 130 (pea)
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Reading piece o' junk in the barn (rice)
Coal Size/Type: Pea size, Superior, deep mined
Location: Orrington, Maine

Post Tue. May. 20, 2008 10:33 pm

I'll try to make a phone call tomorrow about anti-freeze to verify. I think the boiler is non toxic, the auto is poisonous to humans. They just don't want the off chance of a leak getting into domestic water. Anti freeze pumps just fine, but does move heat slower. You don't lose efficiency, but it'll take baseboard a bit longer to heat a room. If we built a house that we knew was going to be anti-freezed, we'd add 20% to the length of the baseboard.
Orrington, Maine
Fred

"If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all".

User avatar
Yanche
Member
Posts: 3032
Joined: Fri. Dec. 23, 2005 12:45 pm
Stoker Coal Boiler: Alternate Heating Systems S-130
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea
Location: Sykesville, Maryland

Post Wed. May. 21, 2008 10:56 am

I'd make every effort to avoid anti-freeze in a residential heating system. It's a maintenance head ache. Biggest problem is it deteriorates with age and causes seals to fail. In many systems, especially with domestic hot water coils, it's a potential health hazard. More than you want to know is here:
**Broken Link(s) Removed**
Yanche
Alternate Heating Systems S-130
Stoker Boiler burning Anthracite Pea Coal


Post Reply

Return to “Stoker Coal Furnaces & Stoves Using Anthracite (Hot Air)”