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A Coal stoker furnace or stove controls most operations including automatically feeding the coal. They are quite similar to any conventional oil and gas units and easily operated for extended periods of time. They commonly use rice coal but may use larger sizes like buckwheat. They can be used as primary heat, supplementary heat or have a dual set up with your existing oil/gas furnace.
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Freddy
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 130 (pea)
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Reading piece o' junk in the barn (rice)
Coal Size/Type: Pea size, Superior, deep mined
Location: Orrington, Maine

Post Sun. May. 25, 2008 5:09 am

The sad thing is, if we save $2,000 this winter by burning coal, come next Spring we will not have $2,000 in the bank. It's still costing us far more than just five years ago. I feel bad for the people on fixed incomes. It's just crazy. Five years ago I paid $632 to heat this house with oil for a year. Right now it would cost $3,416. Burning coal will be $1,150 to $1,800 depending on how I buy my coal. That's better than oil, but it's still 2 or 3 times what it was five years back.
Orrington, Maine
Fred

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syncmaster
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Stoker Coal Boiler: harmanVF3000 Coal/oil option
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Stove/Furnace Make: VF3000
Stove/Furnace Model: Harman VF3000
Location: long Island,NY

Post Sun. May. 25, 2008 6:18 am

LsFarm wrote:A LL Pioneer is around $2400 new, not $3500, and that's with a coal-trol.

There is no question that a boiler is the way to go,, eventually..

Greg L
Yes, the pioneer is $2400.00 but add a direct vent or chimney , fireproof pad and shipping I think you will be up to $3500.00 (roughly).

If money is really tight, another way to go is,
just buy the VF3000 without the hot water coil and oil burner option that would reduce the cost to $4200.00 plus shipping.

disconnect the the chimney from the oil burner(make sure you disable the oil burn so there is no way it can start) and hook up the VF3000 to the original chimney.
The vf3000 will do the whole house, Then later on you can buy the oil burner option, and DHW coil.

If you are worried about resale value, leave the old oil burner in place and all you have to do is re hook up the chimney.

Another thing to think about is,
I don't know if you have a outside entrance to the basement and you have to think about how convenient it will be to get coal in and the ashes out.

tw230
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Post Tue. May. 27, 2008 8:01 am

Thanks for all the ideas. I usually am a good believer in doing it right the first time also. In this case I have too many different options. I do not have an outdoor access to my basement. So coal in and ashes out is a problem. Could put one in but it some work and cost. I could put the boiler in the garage. The extra cost would be the full chimney and build a little room around the boiler. I got a good deal on this L.L. for $1995 and I will pick up. My breezeway is a cement floor so the pad is not an issue. My house is small and well insulated and I am HOPING to get pretty good heat throughout the house with some creative circulation. My plan is to blow out the top of the L.L. with a 8" elbow pointing right down the hall of my house. Maybe a register in that hallway to go to the upstairs hallway.
My other concern with the boiler is, Is it cheaper to run the boiler all year long for domestic or just use a electric hot water heater? I have a brand new 80 gal Rheem electric already that was practically free. So at the very least I am going to plumb that up in parellel with the current setup.


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Sting
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Other Heating: OBSO Lennox Pulse "Air Scorcher" burning NG
Location: Lower Fox Valley = Wisconsin

Post Tue. May. 27, 2008 8:16 am

its less expensive to create DHW in the summer with solar - but thats more contraptions build into your house. :D
When you turn your boiler on -Does it return the favor?
I have finally lost my mind. Don't bother to return it. It wasn't working properly anyway!

syncmaster
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Stoker Coal Boiler: harmanVF3000 Coal/oil option
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Stove/Furnace Make: VF3000
Stove/Furnace Model: Harman VF3000
Location: long Island,NY

Post Tue. May. 27, 2008 6:24 pm

tw230 wrote: My plan is to blow out the top of the L.L. with a 8" elbow pointing right down the hall of my house. Maybe a register in that hallway to go to the upstairs hallway.
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here is a post I did recently about using your DHW coil to circulate water in your baseboard around your house.
Heating Your House More Evenly With a Coal Stove

One other thing I will share with you, When I was trying to decide between a coal boiler and a coal stove, I talked to alot of stove places. This one guy was really helpful and warned that if you put a stove on the main floor and expect the heat will rise up a stairway you will be somewhat disapointed because you also need a path for the cold air upstairs to drop down.
If you count on the stairway only, the hot air going up will be fighting the cold air trying to drop down and you won't get a good flow of air up the stairway. He said it would be much better to cut a cold air return someplace and maybe add a small fan to help move the cold air down.

Good luck with your stove install !

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