Help on Pocono Install

A Coal stoker furnace or stove controls most operations including automatically feeding the coal. They are quite similar to any conventional oil and gas units and easily operated for extended periods of time. They commonly use rice coal but may use larger sizes like buckwheat. They can be used as primary heat, supplementary heat or have a dual set up with your existing oil/gas furnace.
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Other Heating: pocono w/powervent
Location: Monticello, NY

Post Wed. Nov. 06, 2013 9:35 pm

Carbon12 wrote:Unless specified by power venter manufacturer, baro damper should be as close to the stove as possible. Not necessary to leave manometer in smoke pipe permanently. It is fun though! :D
Oh, OK. It stays where it is.

Thanks again.


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Post Wed. Nov. 06, 2013 10:39 pm

This install does not meet the requirement of the national mechanical code
Looks incorrect

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Post Wed. Nov. 06, 2013 10:48 pm

Powerventer clearances not quite met,...to start. Make sure you have a couple of smoke and carbon monoxide detectors in the garage.
No matter where you go,......there you are.

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Post Wed. Nov. 06, 2013 10:53 pm

Sorry fuel gas code
Location of the termination of the venting system should comply with the National Fuel Gas Code, A.N.S.I. Z223.1, manufacturer's recommendations and/or applicable local codes. See Diagram for typical terminal locations.
The exit termination of a mechanical draft system must not be less
than 7' above grade when located adjacent to a public walkway.
The vent termination of a direct vent or sealed combustion
appliance with an input of 50,000 BTU's per hour or less must be
located at least 9" from any opening through which vented gases
could enter the building. With an input over 50,000 BTU's per
hour, a 1' termination clearance is required. Another term for direct
vent is sealed combustion.
The venting systems with the exception of direct vent appliances,
must terminate at least 4' below, 4' horizontally, or 1' above
any door, window or gravity air inlet into the building.
The bottom of the vent terminal must be located at least 1' above
finished grade.
A venting system must terminate at least 3' above any forced air
inlet located within 10'.
The vent termination point must not be installed closer than 3'
from an inside corner of an L-shaped structure.
The vent termination should not be mounted directly above or within 3' horizontally from an oil tank vent or gas meter, (not shown)

Leisure line has a diagram for the clearances. Which will help

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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: LL Hyfire II w/ coaltrol in garage
Coal Size/Type: Pea in AA 260, Rice in LL Hyfire II
Other Heating: Gas fired infared at work
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Post Wed. Nov. 06, 2013 10:55 pm

I would eliminate that 90* elbow and install the "T" at that location. Then you could either install the baro there or keep it as a cleanout "T". The idea of the cleanout "T" is you can shove a shop vac hard tube down the pipe by removing the "T" cap. No need to shut down the stove, just work quickly.

Install the manometer fitting in the vertical section coming off the stove.

This is how we did the kid's Keystoker way back when.....
And yes, have smoke and CO alarms nearby.

Rick
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Stove/Furnace Model: 90K, Hyfire I, VF3000 Soon
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Post Thu. Nov. 07, 2013 6:05 am

Yes, put the TEE where the Elbow is, then you can have it as a cleaned like Rick said. that's just going to build up with ash and make a mess when pull the cap off it if it's mounted down like that.
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Post Thu. Nov. 07, 2013 9:28 am

maurizziot wrote:This install does not meet the requirement of the national mechanical code
Looks incorrect
What part looks incorrect?

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Post Thu. Nov. 07, 2013 9:33 am

Carbon12 wrote:Powerventer clearances not quite met,...to start. Make sure you have a couple of smoke and carbon monoxide detectors in the garage.
Which clearances? According to the manual, it seems I need 4" to any combustible.

Or do you mean distances from windows, etc? The bottom of the window will be sealed closed, and the top sealed with fire block foam. The venter goes out into the back over the A/C units, so it is not a public walkway.

Please let me know which clearances. I have 6 inch wide stainless sheet to bend around any area that may be too close to a combustible.

Thanks.


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Post Thu. Nov. 07, 2013 9:36 am

maurizziot wrote:Sorry fuel gas code
Location of the termination of the venting system should comply with the National Fuel Gas Code, A.N.S.I. Z223.1, manufacturer's recommendations and/or applicable local codes. See Diagram for typical terminal locations.
The exit termination of a mechanical draft system must not be less
than 7' above grade when located adjacent to a public walkway.
The vent termination of a direct vent or sealed combustion
appliance with an input of 50,000 BTU's per hour or less must be
located at least 9" from any opening through which vented gases
could enter the building. With an input over 50,000 BTU's per
hour, a 1' termination clearance is required. Another term for direct
vent is sealed combustion.
The venting systems with the exception of direct vent appliances,
must terminate at least 4' below, 4' horizontally, or 1' above
any door, window or gravity air inlet into the building.
The bottom of the vent terminal must be located at least 1' above
finished grade.
A venting system must terminate at least 3' above any forced air
inlet located within 10'.
The vent termination point must not be installed closer than 3'
from an inside corner of an L-shaped structure.
The vent termination should not be mounted directly above or within 3' horizontally from an oil tank vent or gas meter, (not shown)

Leisure line has a diagram for the clearances. Which will help
Which part of this is not met? The window is sealed with fire block expandable foam sealer, so it is no longer an opening window. I don't understand.

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Post Thu. Nov. 07, 2013 9:54 am

Rick 386 wrote:I would eliminate that 90* elbow and install the "T" at that location. Then you could either install the baro there or keep it as a cleanout "T". The idea of the cleanout "T" is you can shove a shop vac hard tube down the pipe by removing the "T" cap. No need to shut down the stove, just work quickly.
Rick
Thanks. What if I do as you and WNY say and replace the elbow with the tee, and I put the mano in the front of the tee. Could I then pull out the mano for cleaning the pipe just like pulling out an end cap?
Rick 386 wrote: Install the manometer fitting in the vertical section coming off the stove.

This is how we did the kid's Keystoker way back when.....
And yes, have smoke and CO alarms nearby.

Rick
Again, thanks. What is going on where it enters the wall? You seem to have a seal over the opening where the pipe enters the wall. Is the wall sheetrock or plaster? Did you use double wall pipe there, or is it just the powervent going through the wall. I'm all confused on the requirements for mounting the powervent at this point.

It sure looks warm and dry.

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Post Thu. Nov. 07, 2013 9:57 am

WNY wrote:Yes, put the TEE where the Elbow is, then you can have it as a cleaned like Rick said. that's just going to build up with ash and make a mess when pull the cap off it if it's mounted down like that.
Can I put the mano in the front of the tee and remove it for cleaning?

I started looking at cutting a 5" hole in the pipe for the mano, and without my power equipment running yet it seemed like a daunting task.

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Post Thu. Nov. 07, 2013 10:07 am

I think going through the window is making everyone twitchy. I don't know if it code or not since you "sealed" the window shut. A lot of us do "code ish" things. If in doubt, call your local inspector. In lieu of that, be careful.
No matter where you go,......there you are.

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Post Thu. Nov. 07, 2013 10:13 am

toolmaker wrote:
WNY wrote:Yes, put the TEE where the Elbow is, then you can have it as a cleaned like Rick said. that's just going to build up with ash and make a mess when pull the cap off it if it's mounted down like that.
Can I put the mano in the front of the tee and remove it for cleaning?

I started looking at cutting a 5" hole in the pipe for the mano, and without my power equipment running yet it seemed like a daunting task.
Just leave it the way it is. It looks good and will work just as well. As far as cleaning you can still snake a vac hose both ways after removing the baro and you have that Tee as an ash trap. Install the manometer anyplace before the baro. Light it up and enjoy it.

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Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite; Nut/Anthracite
Location: Cecil County, MD

Post Thu. Nov. 07, 2013 11:15 am

toolmaker wrote: Can I put the mano in the front of the tee and remove it for cleaning?
did you mean 'baro' instead of 'mano' ??

I also agree that the T with the capped off end on the bottom will be a challenge to clean without dumping ash and agree with the suggestion you replace the 90* with the T and put the mano in the end of the T.
I drive a VW TDI, heat my home & workshop with two coal stokers and have two vintage JD diesel tractors....
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Post Thu. Nov. 07, 2013 11:21 am

titleist1 wrote:
toolmaker wrote: Can I put the mano in the front of the tee and remove it for cleaning?
did you mean 'baro' instead of 'mano' ??

I also agree that the T with the capped off end on the bottom will be a challenge to clean without dumping ash and agree with the suggestion you replace the 90* with the T and put the mano in the end of the T.
Yes, that is what I meant. My head is spinning so much I'm thinking in terms of going mano a mano, b'ro.


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