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A Coal stoker furnace or stove controls most operations including automatically feeding the coal. They are quite similar to any conventional oil and gas units and easily operated for extended periods of time. They commonly use rice coal but may use larger sizes like buckwheat. They can be used as primary heat, supplementary heat or have a dual set up with your existing oil/gas furnace.
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hotpipes
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Stove/Furnace Make: Will Burt Combustioneer
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Post Sat. Oct. 19, 2013 2:43 pm

I have a willburt model 77b combustioneer stoker and desperately need to know the proper way to light it. Do I need to clean the ash out of the box? I removed all of the clinkers but am uncertain about the ashy stuff. My dad passed away and I decided to put this to use. I took care of the hopper and clinkers for years when I was younger but after high school I moved out and cant remember exactly how he started the fire. The directions inside the cover say a bunch of stuff about the dampers but I really don't remember him doing anything with the dampers. It seems like he just went down there and made a small fire and turned it on. Thanks!!!! I really do appreciate the input as it is cold as crap and I have to get a new heat pump!!! Shot!! The handler and outside unit...so this is a necessity for the baby!! Thank you!!!!!!!

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Coal Size/Type: Lehigh Rice
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Location: Chazy, NY

Post Sat. Oct. 19, 2013 2:54 pm

I am not familiar with this model unit, but I will give you some generic instructions for lighting an underfed stoker.

Clean the clinkers and ash out of the burn pot until you get down to the bottom of the rings/plates that the air comes through...at that point you should also see fresh coal. If you don't turn the unit on and let the auger run for a few minutes to bring some fresh coal into the pot, then shut it off. Put a few pieces of crumpled newspaper in the pot, and then put in a few pieces of broken charcoal, small splits of wood, whatever...something that will catch quickly and burn hot. Light the paper, and once the charcoal/wood is burning well turn on the stoker. When the fire is burning brightly, add a few scoops of coal...when that is burning well, give it a few more scoops and let it run.

A hand-held torch works great for lighting the charcoal/wood if you have one.

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Post Sat. Oct. 19, 2013 3:05 pm

Hitpipes

Tell us your location and there is a good chance there could be a fellow NEPA member near you who can give you a hand. :idea: To quote member FreetownFred.."Nobody is gonna steal ya"....... :lol:
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Post Sat. Oct. 19, 2013 4:40 pm

well, I got it burning alright. It is a really big fire. Should it be a large fire or a smaller one? Flames???? I am thimking that maybe by the time I got it started the coal had already piled up. So, I turned the auger off and now the big fan on back has been running for about a half hr. Thoughts??? Btw, im n southern oh. Thx, guys!!!


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Post Sat. Oct. 19, 2013 4:43 pm

If it has been running 30 minutes, go ahead and turn the auger on.

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Post Sat. Oct. 19, 2013 4:52 pm

i just went back down and the flames have died almost down and it is a solid bed of glow...beginn
ing to klinker. Was I on the right track with the flames or does it always flame? Kind of ironic that my dad was an underground electrician at so. oh. coal co. and I cant get a coal stove working all bc aep (owned mine) surged my heat pump. Oh, boy. Hes prolly cussin me now!!

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Post Sat. Oct. 19, 2013 7:42 pm

CALLING member, Berli n
he runs this same unit...and will surely get you up to speed. :)
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Post Sat. Oct. 19, 2013 8:12 pm

McGiever wrote:CALLING member, Berli n
he runs this same unit...and will surely get you up to speed. :)
Berlin needs to put the beers and cigars down (I see him once a week) :lol: someone PM him and maybe it will ring his email/cell ;) (ima get a spankin now :cry: ) LOL


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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: combustioneer model 77B
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Post Sat. Oct. 19, 2013 8:41 pm

Hey Iv got a combustioneer 77b running right now, the flames should be bright yellow and licking around quickly when the stoker is feeding coal. When the stoker shuts off because the thermostat isnt calling for heat or the timer kicks off the volitals burn out of the coal and the coke (coal charcoal) just sits in there and glows.
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Post Sun. Oct. 20, 2013 2:07 am

I just wanted to log in and thank everyone for their help!!! I enjoy reading the posts and taking in the feedback. It has been burning well since I last posted. That thing puts off some heat. how efficient is it??
Thanks!!!!

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Post Mon. Oct. 21, 2013 11:24 am

how to light a fire in a combustioneer or other underfeed stoker:

The easiest way to light any underfeed stoker (anthracite or bit) is to just use a piece of paper. That's it. Make sure the pot is full of fresh coal, make a big valley in the middle, light a tightly compressed ball of newspaper or packing paper (about the size of your fist) place it in the divot and let it become engulfed. Then sprinkle a small amount of coal over the paper so that it's smouldering. Turn on the stoker (or just the combustion blower if you have separate control). After the combustion blower is turned on, immediately bury the remaining visible paper with about an inch or so of coal. Wait until flames appear (2-3 min) and the coal gas has ignited (leave the viewing door open during this time to prevent possible puff-back). Once flames appear leave the blower running for another 2-3 min (w/bit coal) or longer w/ anthracite. Finally, turn stoker/blower OFF for about 15-30 minutes (make sure the viewing door and ashpan is tightly closed at this point - you want the natural draft to stabilize the fire) to allow the coal bed to burn down into the pot w/ natural draft and stabilize, once this happens, you can turn the stoker/blower back on and you're good to go.

As far as efficiency, the stoker can be tuned to get fairly high steady state combustion efficiency, however, the unit's heat exchanger is too small and the exhaust temps are far too high. I strongly recommend using a "magic heat reclaimer" on the stack. Also, these make a fair amount of flyash, be sure to check the smoke pipe regularly.
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The fire should be just hitting the tubes in the firebox, any bigger than that and you're wasting a lot of coal, you may have to use the smallest pulley on the unit.
Burning western Pennsylvania Bituminous in WNY using model 77 stoker furnace. BITUMINOUS equiptment: 2 hand fired stoves of my own design, Many Combustioneer Model 77 stokers, stokermatic furnace, Many Will-Burt stokers, & and Two Iron firemen.

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