Reccomendations on a Coal Stove/Heater.

 
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Post by molson4725 » Tue. Feb. 19, 2013 10:37 pm

Hi all. Just wanted to hear your opinions on reccommending a stove for a patio. I am currently running a Leisure Line pocono set up in the basement that pretty much heats our whole house. I added a four season patio, basically another room, to the back of the house. I was looking to add a little coal stove, I would prefer an automatic type like the pocono since I am not home to take care of a manual one, not to mention I don't want the hassle ;) . I was thinking of going with a little wood pellet stove, but two fuels would be a pain, plus I prefer coal better. I think a LL pioneer might be over kill to heat this area. Its 16x24. Whats your thoughts?


 
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Post by Ed.A » Wed. Feb. 20, 2013 4:40 am

While I don't own a LL, I've seen enough of them to be impressed. I think you're prolly headed in the right direction for your new Patio set-up. Sounds wicked nice <jealous>

 
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Post by Stoker6268 » Wed. Feb. 20, 2013 3:08 pm

How bout their "LIL" stoker or indenpendence stoker from Leisure Line? both look smaller and might fit your needs for that type of area.

 
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Post by ChrisS » Mon. Apr. 13, 2015 11:43 am

Seems to be the best place to ask this, as it is sort of related. My backyard deck is covered but not enclosed. I would enjoy a small heat source out there for cool evenings, and naturally wondered if coal is an option. There are propane patio heaters, and chimeneas for wood, and so on. Does it make sense to consider or look for some sort of stove or chimenea-type setup for this application? Would it burn OK, basically being an "open" fire? I assume so, but then I'm just a year into this coal burnin' stuff. Any ideas?

 
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Post by McGiever » Mon. Apr. 13, 2015 11:50 am

Anthracite is not going to burn "open" for you.

 
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Post by StokerDon » Mon. Apr. 13, 2015 7:22 pm

I agree with McGiever,

You could do a pit sort of thing with Bit coal I think. For anthracite you need to force air through it. Best thing to do is find an old stoker, make a frame for it, and bang, coal fire patio heater!
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For an outside one, bigger is better!

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Post by McGiever » Mon. Apr. 13, 2015 7:36 pm

Cannel Coal was very popular and readily gotten for open fires in days gone by...it is the "original" matchlight coal.
It was the early source for coal oil that was burned in lamps before natural gas and refined crude oil products, as well.

Supposedly one can buy cannel coal online.

Search here and google for some interesting reading. :idea:


 
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Post by coaledsweat » Mon. Apr. 13, 2015 8:24 pm

McGiever wrote:Cannel Coal was very popular and readily gotten for open fires in days gone by...it is the "original" matchlight coal.
It was the early source for coal oil that was burned in lamps before natural gas and refined crude oil products, as well.

Supposedly one can buy cannel coal online.

Search here and google for some interesting reading. :idea:
I have a few large chunks of cannel coal, a gift from member cokehead. It lights very easy and burns well in the open with the added bonus of a rich assortment of colorful flames and smoke...... much like a styrene plastic model. That said, the odor alone would pretty much doom any festivities. :)

 
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Post by ChrisS » Tue. Apr. 14, 2015 8:37 am

So what I am hearing is bit coal will work on a patio, but the odor will be noxious and make the fire not fit to gather 'round and enjoy...

Maybe this next question then is on another thread here, and point me there if so...IF it were feasible to have a bit coal patio firepit fire, how much heat would be expected in the open. Really, should I just go with wood if I want the firepit experience? Or I may just get a propane heater.

Tricky part is, I am in the City proper, and we cannot just have campfires. Technically, if we cook with it, we can have the fire, so we could keep hot dogs on standby just in case someone comes knocking... :D

 
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Post by McGiever » Tue. Apr. 14, 2015 7:14 pm

Wood or even some lump charcoal, aka; cowboy charcoal.

 
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Post by StokerDon » Tue. Apr. 14, 2015 9:08 pm

We did cook marshmellows on a stoker at the meet & greet last year.
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I guess you would call that cooking?

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Post by Flyer5 » Sun. Apr. 19, 2015 7:24 am

StokerDon wrote:We did cook marshmellows on a stoker at the meet & greet last year.
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I guess you would call that cooking?

-Don
Wow! what good looking people. :D

 
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Post by davidmcbeth3 » Sun. Apr. 19, 2015 8:20 pm

StokerDon wrote:We did cook marshmellows on a stoker at the meet & greet last year.
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I guess you would call that cooking?

-Don
I would call that compressed flammable gas cylinder way too close ! What if it starts leaking?

And a pic I would not show my insurance company. LOL

Other than that, a nice pic. Smores? Please wait 0.02 seconds please...

 
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Post by windyhill4.2 » Sun. Apr. 19, 2015 8:28 pm

Propane bottle is 2 ' from the propain grill,& looks to be 8' or more from the coal stoker. Where is the problem ??

 
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Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood

Post by StokerDon » Sun. Apr. 19, 2015 9:36 pm

Don't you worry WH, if an insurance underwriter sees that, it will end up costing somebody! Hopefuly not me!

-Don


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