Glass Question

A Coal stoker furnace or stove controls most operations including automatically feeding the coal. They are quite similar to any conventional oil and gas units and easily operated for extended periods of time. They commonly use rice coal but may use larger sizes like buckwheat. They can be used as primary heat, supplementary heat or have a dual set up with your existing oil/gas furnace.
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Post Sat. Dec. 15, 2007 2:02 pm

I went to clean my glass on my pioneer today as I normally do and it has a very noticable haze to it even after cleaning it looks horrible. I used Rutland glass cleaner with silicon on it twice and it was fine then I just started using a damp paper towel instead of the Rutland and had no problem but after a week of doing this its super hazy looking like something has baked itself in the glass. It looks beter just not to clean it anymore not to sure what has happenend. I assumed a damp cloth or towel would be a better choice than the Rutland.


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Post Sat. Dec. 15, 2007 2:31 pm

Have you tried using the Rutland polish again following the instructions?

I treated my glass (ceramic) with the Rutland polish several times before the stove ever fired up. Since then, I have used a damp rag on a semi-cool door and it seems to work very well.
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Post Sat. Dec. 15, 2007 2:50 pm

I've been using the damp newspaper trick on mine, every day. So far, so good, the glass still comes out like new every time. Don't know how long that will be the case, but it's been 6 weeks of burning so far.
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Post Sat. Dec. 15, 2007 3:27 pm

Its the Hearth & Grill conditioning glass cleaner with silicone. Ive followed the directions I only used it twice. Ive been using just a damp paper towel for the past week and have had no problems looked like new every time. I did let it go for two days instead of the normal everyday cleaning. I cleaned it this morning and it almost looks like I put wax on it and didn't dry it off, or if you blow on a cold window and it fogs up for a few seconds. When the glass is somewhat wet from the paper towel it looks fine for a few seconds than its cloudy again once it dries. Maybe I should try the Rutland's again if not I'll have to look into buying new glass and gasket again ugh..Ive had pellet stoves and wood stoves and have never seen this happen after cleaning it.. I will try to take some pics..

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Post Sat. Dec. 15, 2007 7:05 pm

smith10210 wrote:Its the Hearth & Grill conditioning glass cleaner with silicone. Ive followed the directions I only used it twice. Ive been using just a damp paper towel for the past week and have had no problems looked like new every time. I did let it go for two days instead of the normal everyday cleaning. I cleaned it this morning and it almost looks like I put wax on it and didn't dry it off, or if you blow on a cold window and it fogs up for a few seconds. When the glass is somewhat wet from the paper towel it looks fine for a few seconds than its cloudy again once it dries. Maybe I should try the Rutland's again if not I'll have to look into buying new glass and gasket again ugh..Ive had pellet stoves and wood stoves and have never seen this happen after cleaning it.. I will try to take some pics..


When I use a damp rag I get the same thing. I clean it a few times wet, rinsing the rag in between and then using a dry rag at the end. It looks like it's hazy when it dries in between the cleanings, but by the time I'm done, it is clear again. How hot is the glass when you clean it?
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Post Sat. Dec. 15, 2007 7:48 pm

av8r wrote:
smith10210 wrote:Its the Hearth & Grill conditioning glass cleaner with silicone. Ive followed the directions I only used it twice. Ive been using just a damp paper towel for the past week and have had no problems looked like new every time. I did let it go for two days instead of the normal everyday cleaning. I cleaned it this morning and it almost looks like I put wax on it and didn't dry it off, or if you blow on a cold window and it fogs up for a few seconds. When the glass is somewhat wet from the paper towel it looks fine for a few seconds than its cloudy again once it dries. Maybe I should try the Rutland's again if not I'll have to look into buying new glass and gasket again ugh..Ive had pellet stoves and wood stoves and have never seen this happen after cleaning it.. I will try to take some pics..


When I use a damp rag I get the same thing. I clean it a few times wet, rinsing the rag in between and then using a dry rag at the end. It looks like it's hazy when it dries in between the cleanings, but by the time I'm done, it is clear again. How hot is the glass when you clean it?

I let it cool down for a 1/2 an hour. Yea I'm doing the same thing looks like I would just have to rinse the rag out again like there is more ash on there but it just wont come off.. Even my wife said something so you know there is a problem. Heres a quick pic ,I will take another when I clean it again so there is no fly ash on the glass, its more prominent when the ash is off.. If you look to the right of the fire you can see the haze a little. Basically imagine it with no ash on the glass thats what I'm seeing. You should be able to see the fire as clear as day but as you can see the fire is super hazy looking..Pic 2 is how it used to look when I cleaned it.
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Post Sat. Dec. 15, 2007 8:04 pm

Mine did the same thing with a new pioneer, it became very hazy. There is a ceramic glass called NeoCeram I have read about on this forum. I don't know if it holds up better. If someone has used NeoCeram could you share your experience with us. Thanks.
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Post Sat. Dec. 15, 2007 8:13 pm

So what is the life expectancy of the "glass" as far as clarity? Anyone else want to chime in here to let us know? I'm curious about the different brands and how each brand's glass holds up.

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Post Sat. Dec. 15, 2007 8:25 pm

I've also read about a wire mesh that covers the glass which helps protect it. I forget what stove company uses it.
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Post Sat. Dec. 15, 2007 8:34 pm

spc wrote:I've also read about a wire mesh that covers the glass which helps protect it. I forget what stove company uses it.

Alaska has that and a double layer glass that is supposed to allow an air wash to blow between the glass to keep the ash off it. I've been told it doesn't work very well and is difficult to keep clean. You could easily retro fit some stainless screen on any stove to help keep the ash of the glass, but I fear it would make cleaning the glass more difficult. As this glass is a type of ceramic I wonder if an abrasive polish or abrasive cloth like is used for taking scratches out of plastic and such would work?
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Post Sat. Dec. 15, 2007 8:53 pm

spc wrote:Mine did the same thing with a new pioneer, it became very hazy. There is a ceramic glass called NeoCeram I have read about on this forum. I don't know if it holds up better. If someone has used NeoCeram could you share your experience with us. Thanks.

Ive only had it a week or so it was fine the day before.I could see over a longer time period than a week. Hmm I guess this is normal. I was told it would clean up very easily and like new if I cleaned it everyday thats why I ask..I guess I wont worry about it but I would like to see the fire.
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spc wrote:I've also read about a wire mesh that covers the glass which helps protect it. I forget what stove company uses it.

Alaska has that and a double layer glass that is supposed to allow an air wash to blow between the glass to keep the ash off it. I've been told it doesn't work very well and is difficult to keep clean. You could easily retro fit some stainless screen on any stove to help keep the ash of the glass, but I fear it would make cleaning the glass more difficult. As this glass is a type of ceramic I wonder if an abrasive polish or abrasive cloth like is used for taking scratches out of plastic and such would work?

The Rutland glass cleaner is mildly abrasive I'll try it again. The ash wipes off very easy but there is a permanent frosting of the glass which will not come off.

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Post Sat. Dec. 15, 2007 9:03 pm

Anyone know where to get the adhesive backed fiberglass cord to seal the glass? Thanks.
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Post Sat. Dec. 15, 2007 9:14 pm

This is my second year with my stove. I just use a dry paper towel to get the ash off, then use some glass cleaner squirted on the towel and remove the rest. The glass is staying clear so far. The Alaska clear glass system does not work. :(
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Post Sat. Dec. 15, 2007 9:17 pm

spc wrote:Anyone know where to get the adhesive backed fiberglass cord to seal the glass? Thanks.


Call the Leisure Line store, they could probably help you out.
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Post Sat. Dec. 15, 2007 9:21 pm

George wrote:This is my second year with my stove. I just use a dry paper towel to get the ash off, then use some glass cleaner squirted on the towel and remove the rest. The glass is staying clear so far.

Hi George, Do you know who makes the glass you have? Thanks.
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