Coal Stove in Basement

A Coal stoker furnace or stove controls most operations including automatically feeding the coal. They are quite similar to any conventional oil and gas units and easily operated for extended periods of time. They commonly use rice coal but may use larger sizes like buckwheat. They can be used as primary heat, supplementary heat or have a dual set up with your existing oil/gas furnace.
xandrew245x
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: keystoker 90
Hand Fed Coal Stove: aarrow stratford 75
Coal Size/Type: anthracite nut/rice
Other Heating: Oil boiler, fireplace
Location: Gardners, PA

Post Fri. Nov. 30, 2012 7:57 am

I am really liking the features of the liesure line, but I don't know the price of them yet. I am looking at the coal/oil boiler they have, and I love the features of it. EFM has the same unit, but from what I see you have to buy the oil unit and add on to it. I am still going to get prices on both of them today.

Steve, that is the exact thought I had, I was thinking" well I plan on getting a boiler in the future and I know they arn't going to get any cheaper so why buy a regular stove now and wait?" I am more of the person who likes to pay for everything up front, and I don't have the money to pay for it right now, but I am approved for a loan, so I will see the pricing of the units and go from there.

As for putting a coal bin in my basement, almost my entire basement is finished, and the area that isn't finished I had plans for in the future. I could build a small bin down there and run a chute through the window and then I could fill that bin up from my main stock pile when it gets low. I will probably just carry buckets of coal down for now, maybe next year I can build something a little more permanent.

Now that I have secured the loan and seen the payment amount, my wife is on board. I explained to her the amount we will save on oil, and the amount we will save by using the domestic hot water coil, it would cover that payment every month easily.

If I needed 5 ton of coal, thats only $1225 plus tax vs.$960+tax just for filling ONE tank of oil at the beginning of the season. Like I said I moved into my house around this time last year, and the people left us with 3/4 of a tank. We used all that plus another tank full before the season was over. At my current oil price that is almost $2000 without tax, and last year was an extremely mild winter! Not to mention when I'm not home the heat is set at 65 and when I am home its set at 68 and im pretty much freezing, if I turn it to 70 the furnace will kick on all the time. Its a win win situation, I will pay less for heating, plus I will be able to keep my house warmer! Now I could even run an underground insulated pipe to heat my small garage if I wanted to without feeling guilty, or I could buy a small cheap coal stove for that. :P


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Rob R.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
Coal Size/Type: Lehigh Rice
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy
Location: Chazy, NY

Post Fri. Nov. 30, 2012 8:09 am

xandrew245x wrote:EFM has the same unit, but from what I see you have to buy the oil unit and add on to it. I am still going to get prices on both of them today.
A new EFM DF520 is around 9k with the oil package. Used/refurbished units are about half that much, but it might be tough to find one with a complete oil package.

Assuming $5500 is your budget, even a LL110 is going to be tight if you have to hire out the installation. Have you considered buying a used stoker boiler and leaving your current oil boiler in place?

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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: keystoker 90
Hand Fed Coal Stove: aarrow stratford 75
Coal Size/Type: anthracite nut/rice
Other Heating: Oil boiler, fireplace
Location: Gardners, PA

Post Fri. Nov. 30, 2012 8:14 am

I was leaning more towards leisure line, a guy posted earlier, he has a Harman right now, and he said he would buy leisure line in the future, he recommended at leisure line 110 model, which has the oil burner already in it, and he said it was less than the Harman coal boiler. I don't really want or need the oil burner feature, I never plan on using oil again.

$5500 isn't my budget, my mom is giving me$1500 towards it as a Christmas gift (she is very generous), so that gives me 7k, and I can cover what ever extra is needed.

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Post Fri. Nov. 30, 2012 9:20 am

xandrew245x wrote:I was leaning more towards leisure line, a guy posted earlier, he has a Harman right now, and he said he would buy leisure line in the future, he recommended at leisure line 110 model, which has the oil burner already in it, and he said it was less than the Harman coal boiler. I don't really want or need the oil burner feature, I never plan on using oil again.

$5500 isn't my budget, my mom is giving me$1500 towards it as a Christmas gift (she is very generous), so that gives me 7k, and I can cover what ever extra is needed.
Take your time Andrew and research the possible candidates. Take a look in the Trading Post also. There are some good deals on refurb boilers in there on occasion too. Then go with the one that is best for you and your situation. The good thing about the oil back up potential on the boiler is even if you never plan to use it, it's there if you have to leave your house for more than a couple days in winter for whatever reason. You will want some capacity to store the coal near the boiler down the road I promise you. The chute idea is a good one that can save you those stairs. Send a weeks (or whatever) coal down from your stash. Whatever you decide, ask all questions you have. There are some of the best people with real world experience that started in the same position you are in on this forum. That knowledge is priceless when it comes to a big ticket purchase being considered. Get it right the first time.

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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: keystoker 90
Hand Fed Coal Stove: aarrow stratford 75
Coal Size/Type: anthracite nut/rice
Other Heating: Oil boiler, fireplace
Location: Gardners, PA

Post Fri. Nov. 30, 2012 12:36 pm

I have looked in 4 Boilers now, and so far the leisure line has appease me the most. Much cheaper than all the other ones, with just as many great features.

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Post Fri. Nov. 30, 2012 6:27 pm

xandrew245x wrote:I have looked in 4 Boilers now, and so far the leisure line has appease me the most. Much cheaper than all the other ones, with just as many great features.
And some of the best if not THE best service in the industry. !!!

Greg L
Burning Pea/Buckwheat through an antique stoker [semi retired SSboiler],
Running an Axeman-Anderson 260M boiler burning Pea, About 150-250#per day
Farming, Fixing, Fabricating and Flying: 'spare time' what's that?

xandrew245x
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: keystoker 90
Hand Fed Coal Stove: aarrow stratford 75
Coal Size/Type: anthracite nut/rice
Other Heating: Oil boiler, fireplace
Location: Gardners, PA

Post Fri. Nov. 30, 2012 9:34 pm

I was reading some info on leisure line it says the clearance to combustibles is 48" on the front, 18" on left side, 19" on back and 4" on right. A few questions here. I plan on putting this unit between my hot water boiler and my hot water heater, are either of them considered combustibles?

If the floor is concrete and the back wall is block, would I need to put it 19" away from the wall still or could I put it say just 5" from the wall?

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Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - (custom built by Jim Dorsey, Taunton MA - RIP 4/18/13)
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III (SOLD!)
Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler
Location: West-Central Mass

Post Fri. Nov. 30, 2012 10:23 pm

My Mark III handfired is less than 8" away from my oil boiler .... so I'd say no on that one. ;)

My infared thermometer has read 350° on that side panel of the boiler many, many times!
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Dennis
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Post Fri. Nov. 30, 2012 10:29 pm

xandrew245x wrote:I was reading some info on leisure line it says the clearance to combustibles is 48" on the front, 18" on left side, 19" on back and 4" on right. A few questions here. I plan on putting this unit between my hot water boiler and my hot water heater, are either of them considered combustibles?

If the floor is concrete and the back wall is block, would I need to put it 19" away from the wall still or could I put it say just 5" from the wall?
You want room for service and make sure you have room to remove and install the DHW coil,they can be as long as the boiler itself.And give room for yourself to walk around and admire your boiler. :love:

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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: keystoker 90
Hand Fed Coal Stove: aarrow stratford 75
Coal Size/Type: anthracite nut/rice
Other Heating: Oil boiler, fireplace
Location: Gardners, PA

Post Sat. Dec. 01, 2012 7:51 am

I wish I had the room to be able to walk around it! It is going to in between my hot water heater and existing boiler. The domestic hot water coil will be facing my existing boiler, but the new one is much taller then the other, and the domestic hot water coil should clear it.

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dh1200s
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Leisure Line WL-110
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: HS-Tarm 202
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman TLC 2000
Location: Honey Brook, Pa.

Post Sat. Dec. 01, 2012 11:48 am

Howdy Andrew,

You have received a lot of good info. from folks on this forum that are very knowledgeable. Looking at the space you have to work with and a single flue I feel the WL110 is a good choice........ it was for me.

I have been running a Tarm 202 boiler since 82 the house was built in 79 and I removed an old cast iron wood burner in the family room in 06 and installed a Harman TLC 2000 both those stoves are nut burners.

By far the WL110 is the heating appliance of choice for me with whole house heat distribution and DHW generation. My install thread is here if you want to see more info. LL110K in the Basement.

If you are ever in the Honey Brook PA. area (looks like we are about 90 miles away) and want to stop by and see a WL110 in operation PM me and we will set up a meet.

Good luck with your decision……….Dick

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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: keystoker 90
Hand Fed Coal Stove: aarrow stratford 75
Coal Size/Type: anthracite nut/rice
Other Heating: Oil boiler, fireplace
Location: Gardners, PA

Post Sun. Dec. 02, 2012 7:45 am

Thank you dh. How many sq ft is your home? Before I buy this unit I want to make sure it will be sufficient to heat my home. I really like the unit and the price.

xandrew245x
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: keystoker 90
Hand Fed Coal Stove: aarrow stratford 75
Coal Size/Type: anthracite nut/rice
Other Heating: Oil boiler, fireplace
Location: Gardners, PA

Post Sun. Dec. 02, 2012 8:19 am

Finally figured out the BTU output of my furnace. It puts out 128k BTU and has no problem heating my home.

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dh1200s
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Leisure Line WL-110
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: HS-Tarm 202
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman TLC 2000
Location: Honey Brook, Pa.

Post Sun. Dec. 02, 2012 12:19 pm

xandrew245x wrote:Thank you dh. How many sq ft is your home? Before I buy this unit I want to make sure it will be sufficient to heat my home. I really like the unit and the price.
Most questions answered in my link above.
Before I buy this unit I want to make sure it will be sufficient to heat my home.
Do a heat loss cal., I used Slant/Fin heat loss cal. quick Google and you should find.

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Stoker Coal Boiler: Leisure Line WL-110
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: HS-Tarm 202
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman TLC 2000
Location: Honey Brook, Pa.

Post Sun. Dec. 02, 2012 1:12 pm

Andrew,

Found the SlantFin download if you haven’t located;

http://www.pvsullivan.com/Downloads/SlantFin/he2setup.exe

Another forum link related to heat loss cal.; BTU Calcs and Sizing. Help


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