Buck Not Burning Completely

A Coal stoker furnace or stove controls most operations including automatically feeding the coal. They are quite similar to any conventional oil and gas units and easily operated for extended periods of time. They commonly use rice coal but may use larger sizes like buckwheat. They can be used as primary heat, supplementary heat or have a dual set up with your existing oil/gas furnace.
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Post Sun. Mar. 04, 2012 9:19 pm

Hi, so today just for the heck of it I decided to break apart some ashes and I discovered the inside was still black. I have a Keystoker 90, and the combustion fan restrictor is set at 1/2 which is factory setting. I had asked Keystoker about adjusting the plate because of burning buck instead of rice and they said normally you don't have to touch the setting to leave it at 1/2. Is this normal with burning buck, or should I open the plate a little more to see if the coal burns more completely? My draft is set at factory settings which are -.02 to -.03 on the manometer as checked in the ash door hole.


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Post Sun. Mar. 04, 2012 9:50 pm

Reading Stoves recommend draft at .05 for burning buck in their stoves. May be worth trying???
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Post Sun. Mar. 04, 2012 10:07 pm

Maybe, but I also asked them if those draft settings were the same for buck as rice and they said yes.

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Post Sun. Mar. 04, 2012 10:13 pm

They always say yes. Keeps the conversation shorter, plus eliminates having to actually try any suggestions they might have gotten. ;)
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Post Sun. Mar. 04, 2012 10:23 pm

Wouldn't higher draft just suck more heat up the chimney? This is my first winter with coal so I'm still learning haha.

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Post Mon. Mar. 05, 2012 2:45 am

I burn Buck in my Keystoker boiler. My Kaa-2 uses the same stoker as one of the stoves. Maybe like your stove. Anyways, I have some mixed in coal in the ashes. From what I've read, it's normal. Should you smell a sulfur smell, close that fan ajustment till smell goes away.

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Post Mon. Mar. 05, 2012 2:56 am

ytseman3 wrote:Wouldn't higher draft just suck more heat up the chimney? This is my first winter with coal so I'm still learning haha.
Every chimney / situation is different. The barometric damper would control chimney draft. Or, should I say draft pull on stove / boiler. If you're pushing more air than your chimney is pulling, you will smell sulfer.

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Post Mon. Mar. 05, 2012 5:07 am

When the stoker is running at full heat, and the grate is covered with burning coal, is the last inch or two of the coal on the grate, still burning? or is it dark, not redhot, not producing heat, that is is it ash?? If it's not producing heat, it's ash.

What brand of coal is this? You might try a different coal from a different mine/breaker and see if it does the same..

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Post Mon. Mar. 05, 2012 7:37 am

LsFarm wrote:When the stoker is running at full heat, and the grate is covered with burning coal, is the last inch or two of the coal on the grate, still burning? or is it dark, not redhot, not producing heat, that is is it ash?? If it's not producing heat, it's ash.

What brand of coal is this? You might try a different coal from a different mine/breaker and see if it does the same..

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The last inch or two is ash, it's not that it's pushing red coals off the grate it just seems the coal may not be burning up completely for some reason so I thought maybe my combustion air wasn't set right. I'm using buck from Ziegenfuss in Palmerton PA. I think the driver said it comes from Hazleton. I was actually thinking of trying rice next winter to see which I liked better as this is my first winter with coal.

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Post Mon. Mar. 05, 2012 8:36 am

Buy a bag or two of either rice or buck from Blaschak. See if it burns the same.
If it's not burning when it is pushed off the end of the grate, you aren't loosing any heat from the coal.. But it's possible that a different coal or size may burn differently.. All coal is not the same..

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Post Mon. Mar. 05, 2012 8:57 am

If the stove has no problem producing enough heat for your needs, I would also try reducing the feed rate. The larger pieces of buck take longer to burn, and if you allow the coal to spend a little more time on the grate it may allow the coal to burn a little more thoroughly.

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Post Mon. Mar. 05, 2012 9:18 am

Thanks, I have reduced the feed rate two turns... ill see if that changes anything.

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Post Mon. Mar. 05, 2012 9:32 am

I would try slowing the feed down with your feed adjustment turning it counter clockwise to keep the coal on the air longer if your feel your fire is not high enough you can open the air gate just a little bit keeping your eye on the draft I would not go much over the .02 or .03 I run mine at .02 I burn rice coal with touch of buck .buck requires less air than rice because of the larger size and the air passes though better are running a direct vent or a chimney if you are running a chimney then you can go bit higher with your draft .I hope this helps
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Post Mon. Mar. 05, 2012 10:25 am

you may find that two turns off your feed maybe a little to much .I would start with one turn with a empty ash pan so you can see if its better then work your way from there.its going to take time to get it dialed in don't be in a hurry

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Post Mon. Mar. 05, 2012 12:55 pm

My keystoker always has some unburnt coal whether using buck or rice, sometimes it rides on top or along the burn grates sides and never burns, you may always get a little bit of unburnt.

I keep my intake blower about 1/2 open (where the factory mark is set at). I keep it at .04 with Direct Vent.

Going on 6+ years with it and never had a problem.

Typcially, 4 Turns out is a good starting point for these, then adjust accordingly (1/2 turn in or out). I think I am at 5 turns out and 4 or 5 Pins on the timer every 10 mins.
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