Noise, Noise, Noise

A Coal stoker furnace or stove controls most operations including automatically feeding the coal. They are quite similar to any conventional oil and gas units and easily operated for extended periods of time. They commonly use rice coal but may use larger sizes like buckwheat. They can be used as primary heat, supplementary heat or have a dual set up with your existing oil/gas furnace.
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bobapete
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Stove/Furnace Make: Alaska
Stove/Furnace Model: Channing III

Post Sat. Feb. 11, 2012 9:26 pm

Well many of you may recognize that I'm the guy that had the noisy direct vent motors on my Alaska Stoker Changing 3 model. I have resolved that issue this season with a shroud that protects the sides and top of the motor from dust. Works like a charm, the shroud has kept the motor looking as clean as it did the day I put it on. Tonight my combustion motor started making some noise so I pulled that, blew it off good, oiled it, cleaned the "tray" it bolts onto and all seems well with that. The motor is the sku4291 motor. My question for you all is this. I have been reading about how some folks have moved their motors into the basement and piped up to the stove. Obviously I cannot do this with my direct vent motor but what about the combustion and blower motors? I get so tired of the noise they make. Not loud bearing failure noises but just the general noises a motor makes while running. It sounds like a freekin airport in here as I have the stove located in my living space. Any input is appreciated as usual.
Pete


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Poconoeagle
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Stove/Furnace Make: Buckwalter & Co. , EFM520
Stove/Furnace Model: No. 28 Glenwood 1880, Alaska
Location: Tobyhanna PA

Post Sat. Feb. 11, 2012 10:00 pm

ear plugs? :)

fish tank with a strong splashy filter?

a child studying beginer clarinet? 8-)

on a serious note... theres not to much cept acoustically insulating the area yet allow air to flow ;)
"Do it Right the First Time" dont leave it for the next guy, as YOU may be the Next guy!!

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Coalfire
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: DS Machine 96K btu Circulator
Coal Size/Type: Nut
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Post Sat. Feb. 11, 2012 10:03 pm

Sell it and buy a hand fed :lol: , silence is golden

Eric

bobapete
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Post Sat. Feb. 11, 2012 10:08 pm

Eric at the risk of sounding dumb how do hand fed models work? Are there any motors involved at all? How are they vented? I agree silence IS golden.
Pete

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Poconoeagle
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Post Sat. Feb. 11, 2012 10:11 pm

see the alaska kodiak, its a hand fed hopper style quiet stove yet to circulate the heat (scrub it iff the stove) there is a fan kit....

or a celing fan near it helps ... we have both and just got used to the fan as its cold outside. Quiet, but cold...
"Do it Right the First Time" dont leave it for the next guy, as YOU may be the Next guy!!

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Coalfire
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: DS Machine 96K btu Circulator
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Post Sat. Feb. 11, 2012 10:11 pm

bobapete wrote:Eric at the risk of sounding dumb how do hand fed models work? Are there any motors involved at all? How are they vented? I agree silence IS golden.
Pete
Sorry I reread your first post you have a direct vent. You need a chimney for a hand fed.

but no motors

Eric

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McGiever
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Stoker Coal Boiler: AXEMAN-ANDERSON 130 "1959"
Coal Size/Type: PEA / ANTHRACITE
Other Heating: Ground Source Heat Pump
Stove/Furnace Make: Hydro Heat /Mega Tek
Location: Junction of PA-OH-WV

Post Sun. Feb. 12, 2012 12:40 am

This will give you double duty...get yourself some fairly dense air filter type material and some thin flexible magnets...like stuck all over your fridge door. :)
Cut the air filter material and some pieces of the magnets to your desired size and shape and hot melt glue enough magnet pieces around the outer edge to hold the filter in place over the fan inlet. The filter material I have used was like 1/2" thick and washable too.

I didn't use these, but they look promising...http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753134

Double Duty...no debris gets sucked into fan and you now have added a Noise Muffler. :D
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jjs777_fzr
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Penn Coal Stove & Chubby
Other Heating: CFM Wood Stove & Englander 25-PDVC Pellet Stove
Location: Northshore Massachusetts
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Post Sun. Feb. 12, 2012 4:58 am

Coalfire wrote:Sell it and buy a hand fed :lol: , silence is golden

Eric
You said it...


Kodiak52
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Stove/Furnace Model: Channing

Post Tue. Feb. 21, 2012 7:09 pm

I have the same noise with my Channing direct vent. I clean it out and the noise comes back about a month later. Did you purchase the shroud or did you fabricte your own?

Badog
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Stove/Furnace Model: Liberty
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Post Tue. Feb. 21, 2012 7:57 pm

I just put my stove in the room with the spa. If you sit in the spa with it running the spa drowns out the stove:)

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2001Sierra
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Keystoker 90 Chimney vent
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Other Heating: Buderus Oil Boiler 3115-34
Stove/Furnace Model: Keystoker 90 Chimney Vent
Location: Wynantskill NY, 10 miles from Albany

Post Tue. Feb. 21, 2012 7:59 pm

Enough from "Hand Feds" been there done that! Lets move on and be productive. Stokers have some value to some of us "older burners" :oops: Lets start conributing some real solutions, if not it would be like some wood burners chiming in every time a hand fed has trouble keeping a fire burning, BURN WOOD! Anyone can burn wood! I really think we can come up with some solutions that we all can benefit from. Here is mine :idea: I put a 2inch diameter hose like an old fashioned dryer hose over the combustion air blower supply which is helping to lower the noise of the combustion blower. Also I replaced my Keystoker combustion blower with a ball bearing one from Grainger. All have helped but I am not convinced we cannot come up with better ideas. Face it we are all trying to support each other with whatever method we choose to burn black gold :P Ok I am stepping down off my soapbox :roll:

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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Keystoker 90K, Leisure Line Hyfire I
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker, LL & CoalTrol
Stove/Furnace Model: 90K, Hyfire I, VF3000 Soon
Location: Cuba, NY
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Post Tue. Feb. 21, 2012 8:36 pm

How about a small cover with some foam board (or some sound absorbing material) over it, make a cover or something, to help absorb the sound. Leave enough for some air flow around it.....
- Dave
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2001Sierra
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Keystoker 90 Chimney vent
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Other Heating: Buderus Oil Boiler 3115-34
Stove/Furnace Model: Keystoker 90 Chimney Vent
Location: Wynantskill NY, 10 miles from Albany

Post Tue. Feb. 21, 2012 8:57 pm

WNY wrote:How about a small cover with some foam board (or some sound absorbing material) over it, make a cover or something, to help absorb the sound. Leave enough for some air flow around it.....
Now we have some real ideas, keep them coming :D

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Hand Fed Coal Stove: V ermont Castings 2310, Franco Belge 262
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Coal Size/Type: nut and pea
Location: Kent CT

Post Tue. Feb. 21, 2012 9:25 pm

Motors will be almost silent if you isolate them from vibration. As soon as you bolt the motor to something it makes noise. There has to be either rubber or spring mount like car motor mounts.

These are rubber but will give you the idea. The bolts are two pieces with rubber between. Look up isolation mounts on Google. Spring mount would be better for heat.
http://www.rubber-group.com/isolationmounts.html

Bratkinson
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Alaska Channing III
Other Heating: Gas FA
Stove/Furnace Make: Alaska
Stove/Furnace Model: Channing III
Location: Western MA

Post Tue. Feb. 28, 2012 5:39 pm

I've had my Channing III for a bit over 3 years now. The very first (partial) season, the convection fan would make a racket at any speed other than full-speed ahead. After I shut down for the summer, my dealer sent it back to Alaska and they replaced it with another Dayton, just like it. And just like the first one, it, too, made too much noise unless it was running full speed.

I solved the convection fan noise problem when I connected my stove to the forced-air system cold air returns in my house (stove is in the basement). What I did is find a pair of 405 CFM rotary(?) style fans the go inline into 6" ducts. All I had to do is a bit of sheet metal work to custom make an adapter bracket to go from 6" round to the roughly 3"x4" opening matching the original Dayton fan connection. Fan noise problem solved.

As of last week, now my convection fan is making a bit of racket it didn't used to make. I considered replacing that a year ago with a similar in-line fan but I'd have to first saw off the mounting bracket that's welded to the stove. I'm still considering it. I may just do it this summer, if basic cleaning/oiling or even cheapo-motor replacement doesn't do it for me.


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