Can I Make My Own Electricity Burning Wood/Coal?

A Coal stoker furnace or stove controls most operations including automatically feeding the coal. They are quite similar to any conventional oil and gas units and easily operated for extended periods of time. They commonly use rice coal but may use larger sizes like buckwheat. They can be used as primary heat, supplementary heat or have a dual set up with your existing oil/gas furnace.
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Post Mon. Dec. 21, 2009 11:31 am

We know the power companies do it on a large scale. Does anyone know of a kit/setup is sold that do this on a scale for a homeowner?
How about plans/blueprint for a good design that a welder/fabricator could execute?

Im anticipating Obama will push energy prices through the roof to fund his global warming religion, and he has already hinted that coal burning power companies will be punished to the point of bankruptcy - and power companies simply pass those costs on to us. Id be will to spend $10 - 20$K to buy build something that produces enough electricity to live on.
Coal is producing 50% of our energy without dependence on foreign oil and creating millions of jobs....
Let's tell our government that we don't want this industry bankrupted!
...Instead, how about we spend a few billion researching technology to burn it even cleaner!

Burning nut the 30-95, cord wood in the 30-NC and wood scraps in the potbelly.
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Post Mon. Dec. 21, 2009 11:43 am

Search, been discussed. If

Electricity Generation From Stove?

For that price, you could go Solar or Wind and get a big discount for going green. If you have enough capacity, you should be able to run just about anything.

Another thread

Anyone Have a Wind Turbine???
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Post Mon. Dec. 21, 2009 2:22 pm

Yes, steam has been used for power in the late 1800's, is it cost effective today, I highly doubt it. From what I understand the utility companys can use any form of energy to create steam, coal being the cheaper of fossil fuels without breaking the atoms. The steam is at a high pressure so the water boils at a greater temperature, say 1000 deg. and is used to power 2 steam turbines, one having smaller impellers than the other. It would only be my guess that the great temperature and pressure is where the efficiency comes into play. The old dynamos where used behind steam engines and stationary gas engines in the early 1900's had goveners to controll speed, todays generators also must maintain a set speed to keep the voltage from fluctuating. I DO LIKE THE IDEA , I THOUGHT ABOUT IT IN MY HEAD :chop: BUT IS NOT PRACTICLE AT THIS POINT IN TIME. ( MY OPINION ) :D

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Post Mon. Dec. 21, 2009 2:36 pm

I've always wanted to do this! Seems so simple to do, until you start researching costs .... :shock: :shock:

I just found out a few years ago that my great-grandfather used to design & build steam engines for all applications. I don't have so much as one note on a napkin from his era. :( :( DAMN!! Sad that all that knowledge is lost. I could be building the things for a living right now!

I think building a suitable boiler to handle the pressure is where all the money & effort will be spent ...... then when you build it, how do you test it so you know at what pressure it will level your house & other buildings without wrecking all your work? :lol: I'm sure with some scrap steel, a lathe & a welder it could be done in a pinch. I would imagine some steel as thick as my Harman would work. I'd have to do some testing in the woods first before I'd be comfortable with 800+ psi steam being anywhere near me or my property! :shock: :D
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Post Mon. Dec. 21, 2009 3:25 pm

Read up on ASME code.

It could be done, but alot it lost in efficiency. The efficiency of an external combustion engine is pretty low.

Modern powerplants use pretty sofisticated tubines in mutiple stages to get the efficiency out of them.

Probably the most difficult part is regulating the current and voltage on a scale large enough to power a house.

On a plus side you could sell the excess power back to the power company, but then they would probably come back at you and impose emmisions stipulations and shut you down.


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Post Mon. Dec. 21, 2009 3:34 pm

When you turn your boiler on -Does it return the favor?
I have finally lost my mind. Don't bother to return it. It wasn't working properly anyway!

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Post Mon. Dec. 21, 2009 3:34 pm

When you turn your boiler on -Does it return the favor?
I have finally lost my mind. Don't bother to return it. It wasn't working properly anyway!

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Post Mon. Dec. 21, 2009 3:58 pm

Steam....someone said "If you build a steam pressure boiler, you will have a very interesting talk with a very specialized insurance agent".

$20,000 will not come close to buying enough wind or solar to completely pay your bill...unless you use 35 KWH a month, but most of us use 500 or more. I know a person that has $55,000 in solar panels and gets 275 to 325 KWH per month. IF you have wind (and you do not know unless you put an anemometer at the height of the proposed tower and watch it for a year), then you might do OK with a windmill in the $30,000 range. Build it yourself and save! I have a 5.5 K wind turbine that I build for less than 10 grand, but, I trusted a fellow that did a wind study for me. He was wrong, ohhh, so wrong. Part of me wants to play with it and make it better, but part of me says if someone wanted to buy it, I should sell it. My record days are 28 & 30 KWH. IF (capital IF) I had wind to do that every day it would pay my entire bill with some left over. I am not disappointed with the device, but do not have proper wind to drive it.
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Post Mon. Dec. 21, 2009 4:24 pm

I just had a converstion about this not too long ago with Gene (pocono eagle) about an item I found on ebay....item 190352580079 ... A steam locomotive headlight generator.....How cool would it be to run your house on a steam locomotive generator.....It only made 13.5 amps though....Not enough to run a house....

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Post Mon. Dec. 21, 2009 4:24 pm

Thanks for those links Sting. I just whacked my Visa for quite a supply of reading material! 8-) I ended up researching steam ... but soon found I could make my own alcohol fuel! :up:

I could probably make use of a windmill here, if I could get it high enough. It would have to be on my neighbors land on top of a hill. Definitely not worth the effort or expense .... especially after seeing Freddy's real-world experience with it.
The laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are
neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. ...Such laws make things worse
for the assaulted and better for the assailants, they serve rather to
encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with
greater confidence than an armed man."

- Thomas Jefferson, quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria in "On
Crimes and Punishment."


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Post Mon. Dec. 21, 2009 4:40 pm

I haven't had a low pressure steam license since them long past days, of needing money for class and books and beer. I paid my bribe, got my little wallet ticket and assumed a position as part time tender in the boiler room that heated the dorms. That was really a grin because it gave me access the female only floors! :lol:
When you turn your boiler on -Does it return the favor?
I have finally lost my mind. Don't bother to return it. It wasn't working properly anyway!

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Post Mon. Dec. 21, 2009 5:02 pm

Why don't you work on making producer gas... And use that to run a generator?

Coal was the original seed stock for it.

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Post Mon. Dec. 21, 2009 5:34 pm

I've been thinking of making my own electricity for quite awhile. Read posts here and other forums.
I think with home heating boilers a hot air / stirling type engine might work.
But I've not found proven plans for one.
These do not require high pressures.
Mike

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Post Mon. Dec. 21, 2009 7:24 pm

I know the steel mill that I retired from had put in a couple of relatively small generators that ran off of excess steam that used to just vent into the air. They tried one & then a few months after we had to build a platform for a second over top the first so it must have been worth it.
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