Burning Coal in Nassau County NY Legal???

 
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Post by firstquality1103 » Wed. Jan. 28, 2009 11:55 am

Someone told me having a coal stove in nassau county, New York was not legal. Does anyone know if this is true or not?


 
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Post by Berlin » Wed. Jan. 28, 2009 12:08 pm

not true

 
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Post by Richard S. » Wed. Jan. 28, 2009 12:22 pm

I'm not aware of any regulations anywhere, the chances of any regulations are pretty nil because you don't have that aggravating the neighbor factor. That's not to say the feds or some states might not place some blanket regulations on coal usage in the future. I know a lot of places even locally here have placed regulations on OWB but that is a completely different situation.

I believe someone mentioned in the past regulations in maybe Mass. or another state that regulated the type of coal sold but it didn't cover actually burning it so you could import it into the state.

 
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Post by coaledsweat » Wed. Jan. 28, 2009 12:32 pm

Richard S. wrote:I believe someone mentioned in the past regulations in maybe Mass. or another state that regulated the type of coal sold but it didn't cover actually burning it so you could import it into the state.
CT DEP does not allow bituminous sales in CT, there is no restriction on burning it however. The reason is the sulfur content in bituminous coals are typically about twice that of anthracite and can be more. IIRC the cap is 1% sulfur which is not a problem with anthracite.

 
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Post by steamup » Wed. Jan. 28, 2009 1:28 pm

FYI

Restrictions in New York are due to sulfur content in fuel. Anthracite coal has approx. .44 lbs of sulfur per million BTU's which violates the DEC regs for Nassau County. Therefore it is illegal to burn coal in Nassau County.

See regs-
http://www.dec.ny.gov/regs/4225.html

Also, the DEC states in other parts of their regs that new bituminous hand fired installations are not permitted any where in New York. Any solid fuel installation 1 million BTU's or larger in New York needs a DEC permit.

 
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Post by coaledsweat » Wed. Jan. 28, 2009 2:25 pm

steamup wrote: See regs-
http://www.dec.ny.gov/regs/4225.html
That looks like regulations for permitted commercial installations to me, power plants, mills, laundries, etc. I doubt very much it has anything to do with home owners.

A quick check shows several coal dealers in Nassau County.

 
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Post by coal berner » Wed. Jan. 28, 2009 4:02 pm

Anthracite sulfur content Runs between 0.06 - 0.77 By Weight %

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/classification- ... d_164.html

http://www.epa.gov/ttn/chief/ap42/ch01/final/c01s02.pdf

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Post by steamup » Wed. Jan. 28, 2009 4:21 pm

coal berner wrote: By: coal berner On: Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:02 pm
Anthracite sulfur content Runs between 0.06 - 0.77 % By Weight
This calculates out to .04 to .55 lbs. of sulfur per million BTU's based on 14,000 btu/lb. The limit in the regs stated .2 lbs per million btu, so in theory a lower sulfur anthracite would be permitted.

I did not see any exclusions based on size, but the DEC may leave homeowners alone if there are no complaints.

I think it would be interesting if someone from Nassau county could shed some insight on the situation there.

 
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Post by Duengeon master » Wed. Jan. 28, 2009 6:00 pm

All you have to do is tell them it's a wood stove. We won't say anything. ;)

 
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Post by coaledsweat » Wed. Jan. 28, 2009 6:19 pm

steamup wrote:I did not see any exclusions based on size, but the DEC may leave homeowners alone if there are no complaints.
Would this qualify? From your link.

"where such oil or coal is for use in any stationary combustion installation with a total heat input greater than 250 million BTU per hour"

I'm not positive but it looks like you need to burn about 10 tons per hour to meet that regulation.
steamup wrote:I think it would be interesting if someone from Nassau county could shed some insight on the situation there.
I'll bet this guy can. "Serving all of Long Island, Suffolk and Nassau Counties".

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Post by SuperBeetle » Wed. Jan. 28, 2009 6:46 pm

Duengeon master wrote:All you have to do is tell them it's a wood stove. We won't say anything. ;)
No we won't but, I'm certain these fine people will :mad:

http://burningissues.org/forum/phpBB2/index.php

http://burningissues.org/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1561 :x :mad:

 
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Post by Dann757 » Thu. Jan. 29, 2009 7:27 pm

Wow,
That's a scary site. Ban all fire. "The smoke from one fireplace can kill in an inversion." lol

 
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Post by firstquality1103 » Thu. Jan. 29, 2009 10:13 pm

i am going to call local coal sales and will post their answer tomorrow thanks for all feedback great forum lots of knowledge out there. I like that train set steamup bob suffolk county ny

 
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Post by BigBarney » Thu. Jan. 29, 2009 10:24 pm

These regulations as Coaledsweat said cover commercial installations inputting more than 250m btu/hr

such as industrial boiler and the like.Not a lot of coals would exceed those limits and could be blended

with other coal sources to meet all these emissions standards.Thats probably why a large amount of

Powder River Basin coal is shipped to the east coast for blending with the higher sulfur eastern and

mid-western coals.

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Post by wwct » Thu. Jan. 29, 2009 11:00 pm

Why do you care? We're so under the radar, just do it, let them close down later, if you can make happen in Nassu. :mad: This is OUR country, remember!!! :D


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