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kirk
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Post Mon. Mar. 27, 2006 9:50 am

Finally got the bottom yesterday. That means I have used 3 1/2 tons of rice coal so far. I've got another a 1200 lbs. in 5 gallon buckets. Started burning at the beginning of November and have burned constantly other than 1 week in January while on vacation. That's all heat and hot water. Cleaned out all the fines/dust at the bottom. I'm ready to pickup 3 1/2 more tons as soon as the price drops. I'm considering driving north to see the coal man. Where is your yard located and when do your summer prices typically start? My pickup bed will hold 1.75 tons and I have a trailer that will hold another 1.75 tons.

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Post Mon. Mar. 27, 2006 11:05 am

1,200 lbs. in five gallon buckets ???
Noww that is alot of buckets !!!
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Post Mon. Mar. 27, 2006 1:10 pm

not really that's around 27 buckets of coal..I usually can get 45lbs in a bucket

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Post Mon. Mar. 27, 2006 2:15 pm

You must have bigger 5 gallon buckets in PA. My 5 gallon buckets hold 35 lbs. :lol: so its in 34 buckets. I'm not sure how you weighed yours but I took a full bucket of rice coal to my dogs vet office and weighed it on his electronic scale. Also if you calculate the area of the bucket and use the figure for what a cubic ft of coal weighs, it comes out real close. A ton fits in 57 buckets.

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Post Mon. Mar. 27, 2006 3:12 pm

kirk wrote: Where is your yard located and when do your summer prices typically start? My pickup bed will hold 1.75 tons and I have a trailer that will hold another 1.75 tons.
No yard, bulk delivery only in ther 507 area code which basically encompasses NEPA.
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Post Mon. Mar. 27, 2006 6:07 pm

kirk u are correct...It seems my buckets are a little bigger then the normal 5gal bucket. My wife is a manager of McDoalds and she brings home the buckets they get there pickles in and I weighed a full bucket of rice coal once on are digital bath scale and it came out to just under 45lbs when fully filled to the top.Also when I take my van with 20 buckets to the coal yard fill them up and get weighed it always comes out to around 900lb

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Post Mon. Mar. 27, 2006 6:14 pm

Keep in mind the volume can vary slightly depending on the coal (some is more dense than others) or the size of the coal. Rice coal needs more space than Nut. In a bucket you probably won't see much difference but over a whole truckload it can be quite a bit.
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Post Mon. Mar. 27, 2006 11:08 pm

Don't meant to sound dumb, but why do you need 27 buckets of coal sitting around? I have 1 bucket sitting by my stove, waiting to be used. After using it, I refill it so the next load can dry out a little. Don't mean to be nosey, just wondering why, seems like so much unnecessary work.
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Post Tue. Mar. 28, 2006 6:20 am

My coal bin will only hold 3 1/2 tons. The five gallon buckets are actually a very convenient and compact way to store coal. You can stack them 5-6 high so that in a fairly small footprint, you can store alot of coal. I have them stacked 3 deep from the basement wall, 6 high. That's how I stored it before I built the coal bin. I had enough buckets to store 1 ton. Now I use them for my extra supply. Once I've emptied my coal bin, I know I've burned 3 1/2 tons and evey bucket I use after that is an additonal 35 lbs. It helps my track how much coal I use. Might sound dumb but it works for me.

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Post Tue. Mar. 28, 2006 3:48 pm

kirk,
Hope you didn't think I was saying that what your are doing is dumb, I didn't mean that at all! I said I felt dumb not understanding the buckets. I actually buy my coal bagged, so I avoid all storage issues. Bagged might cost a little more $$, but makes up for that in my time & storage space.
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Post Tue. Mar. 28, 2006 6:44 pm

No, not at all. Besides, I agree it does sound alittle odd to have all those buckets but I had access to them and I found it worked well. Also, the 35 lbs. is a pretty managable weight for me and they stacked so well.

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Post Wed. Mar. 29, 2006 12:30 am

Richard S. wrote:Keep in mind the volume can vary slightly depending on the coal (some is more dense than others) or the size of the coal. Rice coal needs more space than Nut. I
You meant that the other way around, right?

Larger pieces would make for bigger voids between them, thus less weight by volume, correct?
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Post Wed. Mar. 29, 2006 6:43 am

Oo-v-oO wrote:
Larger pieces would make for bigger voids between them, thus less weight by volume, correct?
No what I said is exactly what I meant. I know it sounds counter-intuitive but that's the way it is. Just for example a load of stove which is the largest size coal I deliver will be just about level in the box. Barley even with it's higher water content will barely fit on the truck. Volume wise it would appear to look 1/4 - 1/2 a ton.

Nut and pea are about the same, it's the rice for the most part that takes up more space. Volume wise it would look like about 1/4 of a ton over a 5 ton load. My guess is that although you have larger spaces between the nut you also have more area that is dense product. The rice has more surface area to produce the spaces.
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Post Wed. Mar. 29, 2006 10:39 pm

Huh. Not what I would have expected.
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