PJM just won't adjust to the world

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Post by BigBarney » Fri. May. 24, 2024 2:05 am

PJM is still on a old school way of managing the power industry...

They have over 2 years of applications to supply the grid with electricity

at a good price ,but they want to protect the old fossil plants...

https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/fossil-fuels ... transition

Paying a power plant to operate for 20 days a year is crazy, Their power is

at a non competitive price so there are no buyers...

Let the free market decide not the PJM rate payers..

Especially when you have multiple suppliers ready to go...

Solar and batteries will knock them out but not with the buddy system...

PA in bad shape with 16 coal plants,leads the nation...

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1252352/us-co ... -by-state/

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Post by Richard S. » Fri. May. 24, 2024 4:22 am

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Paying a power plant to operate for 20 days a year is crazy,
This has been explained to you already Barney, it's the reliability issue with solar and wind. When it's 0 degrees out, cloudy, no wind, with record demands at 8 AM and it's going to be like that for the week that plant will be reliably delivering power 24/7 that solar and wind can't.

As I have already suggested the cost of building and maintaining these plants whose sole purpose is to insure reliability should be attributed to solar and wind.
Solar and batteries will knock them out but not with the buddy system...
LOL, how many solar panels and batteries do you need to meet the demands of one week of power as decsribed above? What if it's some extraordinary event and it's two weeks?. You do realize the power would need to be produced and stored before the bad weather conditions set in. You can stack coal to the moon next to a coal power plant, you can't stack solar or wind.

 
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Post by BigBarney » Fri. May. 24, 2024 3:39 pm

This type of power grid you suggest is obsolete when batteries are positioned and charged when

excess power is available at low costs even 0.. We probably need more inter ISO connections to be better

able to utilize power when available...We need to build more renewables at the speed of light..

You can store heat in a battery of stone for a very long time...Days and Months at time...Years...

Especially when all you need is low grade heat...

You right this minute get paid to take electric off the grid in California due to excess solar...

Look at South Texas where they pay you to take power...

https://www.ercot.com/content/cdr/contours/rtmLmp.html

All we need is to apply ourselves and get on with the job ahead and add more renewables..

No fossil fuel fuel can compete,so lets get on with the updates of the grid..

You got that big beautiful nuclear power plant in the sky , our sun , with energy forever...

Why would they ever approve new fossil plants on earth??

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Post by Richard S. » Fri. May. 24, 2024 7:36 pm

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This type of power grid you suggest is obsolete ....
It's reliable without some extraordinary cost and that by itself makes it better than anything else. That's why these plants aren't going anywhere even if they are only run a few weeks a year.
Why would they ever approve new fossil plants on earth??
Because they meet a demand, reliability.


 
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Post by BigBarney » Tue. May. 28, 2024 4:53 pm

Reliable?? at a high price that the rate payers puts up with...

Our grid is obsolete in that it has not kept up with the tech

changes going on in the power generation and supply...

Fossil at 5-? cents a kWh is not competitive so they need to

be shut down as soon as possible..

Plenty of renewables available at 50% less and more on the way

as soon as regulators get on the wagon with approvals of projects

and not take years for approval...2 years is ridiculous .....

"As of July 24, 2023, the Regional Transmission Organization (RTO) PJM had 258 gigawatts (GW) of projects in its interconnection queue. This is more than 1.4 times the amount of capacity that PJM currently has installed, and 98% of the projects are carbon-free resources."

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Post by waytomany?s » Tue. May. 28, 2024 5:00 pm

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Reliable?? at a high price that the rate payers puts up with...

Our grid is obsolete in that it has not kept up with the tech

changes going on in the power generation and supply...

Fossil at 5-? cents a kWh is not competitive so they need to

be shut down as soon as possible..

Plenty of renewables available at 50% less and more on the way

as soon as regulators get on the wagon with approvals of projects

and not take years for approval...2 years is ridiculous .....

"As of July 24, 2023, the Regional Transmission Organization (RTO) PJM had 258 gigawatts (GW) of projects in its interconnection queue. This is more than 1.4 times the amount of capacity that PJM currently has installed, and 98% of the projects are carbon-free resources."

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Hahaha 🤣 national grid here has stated any new solar projects will not be connected for up to 10 years as they can't connect them. The farm 5 minutes from work has been completed for over a year and has not been hooked up yet.

 
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Post by Richard S. » Tue. May. 28, 2024 9:35 pm

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Reliable??
Reliable as in it's not dependent on the whims of mother nature.

at a high price that the rate payers puts up with...
Once again the highest rates in the nation are in states leading the charge for solar and wind. The lowest rates are in the few states with hydrolectric and those more dependent on fossil fuels fill out the middle ground.
Fossil at 5-? cents a kWh is not competitive so they need to
Doesn't matter what the cost is, if you want reliability that's what you are going to pay. If you continue to put more renewables on the market the cost of that reliability is going to continue to climb due to under utilization of the capital investment. If you want both low cost and reliability stop building renewable energy so those capital investment can be fully exploited.
be shut down as soon as possible..
You can't, what part of that is not understood?

 
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Post by BigBarney » Tue. May. 28, 2024 11:24 pm

If you need a small amount of power in the times of shortfalls you use

the batteries of all types not more fossil generation...

You can put a lot of tons of blocks, 40 tons each, in a 20 story enclosure with a crane

In off peak times,and let down when needed,for very low cost...

It can stay there for eternity if never needed... Or cycled each day to cover the peaks...

https://www.wired.com/story/energy-vault-gravity-storage/

https://www.cnet.com/home/energy-and-utilities/ho ... y-problem/

Low tech and ~80% efficient,better than most fossil generation...

"Bricks are housed on the top eight levels of the building to store energy and drop down to the corresponding lower eight levels to generate power. Each brick, descending at 1.9 meters per second (6.23 feet), turns out about a megawatt, Terruzzin said. That's about enough to power 2,000 refrigerators."

"In times of need, these blocks are lowered, pulling on cables that spin turbines, thus producing electricity. According to Energy Vault, the blocks will have a storage capacity of up to 80 megawatt-hours and be able to continuously discharge 4 to 8 megawatts for 8 to 16 hours."

I know you believe in fusion energy , but by the time it will be available the cost will be so high

that it will not be viable... The time to build and maintain will be prohibitive...

Use the big nuclear reactor in the sky,far away and near eternal power,free in the air for the taking..

All the off peak power will be available now with more added yearly... Near 0 new fossil in PJM....

https://www.pjm.com/-/media/about-pjm/newsroom/20 ... stone.ashx

"PJM also identified another 46,000 MW of nameplate generation capacity in projects that should clear PJM’s study
process and be ready for construction by mid-2025, for a total of 72,000 MW of projects, mostly renewable and
battery resources, expected to complete the process by that time."

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Post by Richard S. » Wed. May. 29, 2024 6:43 am

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If you need a small amount of power in the times of shortfalls you use
I don't understand why it's so difficult for you to understand this. 0 degrees out in the northeast, record demand at 8AM, no wind, cloudy and it's going to be like that for a week. A very plausible scenario. If the conventional system can meet this demand for one day which they often do it can meet it for an indefinite amount of time, reliability.

The amount of capacity and storage to meet such a demand using soalar/wind with storage alone is an astonishingly high amount and it can never be indefinite.
I know you believe in fusion energy , but by the time it will be available the cost will be so high

that it will not be viable... The time to build and maintain will be prohibitive...
Barney I can't tell you when but this will replace all forms of energy production somewhere down the road. Assuming man is still on this planet 1000 years from now they will look back on the history timeline and consider it the single most important development in mans history. It's that much of game changer.

 
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Post by BigBarney » Wed. May. 29, 2024 1:48 pm

Maybe when electric is 20$ a kwh..

Or pigs fly...

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Post by BigBarney » Tue. Jun. 25, 2024 9:01 am

PJM is at it again...slowing down the clean and inexpensive power...

They already drag their azzes on getting more renewables online...

They need a first ready get online policy...

Bump old fossil to the curb as fast as possible....

They put so many roadblocks iin the way it is criminal...

Why pay for the high priced fossil when others can supply???

At less than 50% of the cost... Payoffs are the reason...

https://www.utilitydive.com/news/ferc-pjm-grid-in ... ity%20Dive

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