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Post Wed. Jul. 30, 2008 3:41 pm

Just got last month's electric bill from NSTAR...........Almost double from last year's July!! :mad:

(shoving coal into the AC's front intake)

Can't wait for Fall when I take back some control of my money! :devil:
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Post Wed. Jul. 30, 2008 5:47 pm

How about solar ac. Open a window. It's been hot here in NY. The AC is running on full blast along with the pool filter and a 2nd unit. My electric meter is spinning so fast I can hear it makes a swooshing noise.
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Post Wed. Jul. 30, 2008 5:54 pm

i got this months elect. bill from NYSEG was $95.00 more than last july. when you get that coal powered ac figured out post pics. so we can set ours up that way :lol: it 's just getting rediciulous,the cost ev every thing going out of sight.i did get gas today for ONLY $3.87/gal.WOW what a deal :!:

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Post Wed. Jul. 30, 2008 9:16 pm

thats what those arabs what us to think. when it gets below $3 people will be happy to pay it.
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Post Wed. Jul. 30, 2008 9:25 pm

JCP&L raises the rates in the hottest months. :mad: I only use the A/C when it's really humid, like now. Otherwise I run the attic fan (I installed a powered shutter in the 2nd floor hall ceiling).
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Post Wed. Jul. 30, 2008 9:26 pm

Wood'nCoal wrote:I only use the A/C when it's really humid, like now. Otherwise I run the attic fan (I installed a powered shutter in the 2nd floor hall ceiling).
Me too John....I put in a 24' whole house fan shortly after we moved in, but it is useless when it's humid out. :(
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Post Wed. Jul. 30, 2008 9:49 pm

The fan was here when I bought the place. After the cheap motor quit I build a fixture to hold a better motor and run a cradle mount split phase motor. Does the job nicely.

Photos are from 2005 when I did the job.
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Post Wed. Jul. 30, 2008 9:54 pm

Amazing how well they wok though! (mine is horizontally mounted in the top floor hall (with louvers) & blows out through 2 gable- mounted attic vents (that I had to double the size of or the attic would get pressurized)
Mine is an Emerson with an infinitely variable rheostat.
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Post Wed. Jul. 30, 2008 10:12 pm

A whole house fan is definitely an asset, makes a big difference at night when it cools off outside.

Right now the temperature is 75 out and it's humid, not a typical night here, it usually cools off by now.
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Post Wed. Jul. 30, 2008 11:38 pm

I'm sure someone can chime in with better details, but a home made coal powered AC shouldn't be all that hard to make. Build a tea kettle shaped tank and connect to it a coil of copper tubing. Boil amonia in the tank, the vapors go to the coil by gravity and condense back into a liquid. That action removes heat from the coil. Tea kettle outdoors, coil indoors. Drain pan under coil to catch condensate.

I'm not sure how the kettle is kept from exploding, but that's how gas refridgerators work and they work well and about forever. We had one for years. Absolutely silent, just the gas flame to heat the "tea kettle". Some people died because they never cleaned them & carbon monoxide resulted so they're abit hard to find now. I think the Amish still use them.
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Post Thu. Jul. 31, 2008 12:18 am

I have a whole house fan and it really does an incredible job of cooling off the house. It's an easy install too.
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Post Thu. Jul. 31, 2008 12:48 am

Freddy wrote:I'm sure someone can chime in with better details, but a home made coal powered AC shouldn't be all that hard to make. Build a tea kettle shaped tank and connect to it a coil of copper tubing. Boil amonia in the tank, the vapors go to the coil by gravity and condense back into a liquid. That action removes heat from the coil. Tea kettle outdoors, coil indoors. Drain pan under coil to catch condensate.

I'm not sure how the kettle is kept from exploding, but that's how gas refridgerators work and they work well and about forever. We had one for years. Absolutely silent, just the gas flame to heat the "tea kettle". Some people died because they never cleaned them & carbon monoxide resulted so they're abit hard to find now. I think the Amish still use them.
Like you say it's possible. Using an ammonia refrigerant produces high pressures and the need to use welded steel only piping. A practical unit requires pumping the ammonia. I once had a residential ammonia cycle central A/C chiller that used natural gas for the heat source.
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Post Thu. Jul. 31, 2008 9:47 am

i knew someone had an idea.i like it freddie.when you get done hording all the coal maybe you can build one and post for us :lol: :lol:

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Post Thu. Jul. 31, 2008 12:43 pm

Our electric doesn't fluctuate much, it's been pretty constant. Everything is electric (stove, dryer, hot water). In the winter, I turn off the de-humidifier in the basement, since the coal stove keeps it nice and warn & dry, so it's a wash there. I think a hot water coil will help for the fall/spring/winter time to help decrease the electric a bit. We don;t have central A/c, just window unit for the bedroom.

If we keep the house closed up on hot days, it stays 10-15 degrees cooler.

We also have been capturing rain water from the gutters to water the plants, yard, etc...of course we have had way too much rain lately.
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Post Thu. Jul. 31, 2008 1:47 pm

my house has a 7' basement. takes 3 or 4 days in the 90's to get the house hot. at night I just put couple box fans in the windows and pump the cool air outside in.
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