Pricing Differences from ISO in States

BigBarney · Post by **BigBarney** » Fri. Jan. 24, 2020 3:03 pm

Here is the page with the fuel usage in each of nearby ISO's that

cover most of the forums readers. The difference in fuel mix has

a huge influence on the supply portion of our bills. These 3 sites

have real time 24/7/365/366 data.

PA,NJ,MD, PJM ISO

https://www.pjm.com/markets-and-operations.aspx

NY NY ISO

https://www.nyiso.com/real-time-dashboard

NewEngland ISO

https://www.iso-ne.com/isoexpress/web/charts

There is a large amount of data on these pages to explore,

nothing is hidden and all documented,with years of back

data.You can actually see where your utility is buying

power to supply you with the cheapest power available.

People complain but they don't search for the facts and

only express opinions which have no value without the facts.

BigBarney

franpipeman · Post by **franpipeman** » Sat. Jan. 25, 2020 8:59 am

Excellent information.

I found how the solar project i was part of get its credit paid lowest average wholesale price of the entire year that the utility buys, fair enough in my view

Post by **Richard S.** » Sat. Jan. 25, 2020 11:49 am

That coal plant in Connecticut they are protesting runs about the equivalent of 23 days if they were running it maximum capacity. One of the reasons for that is renewable energy, they can't get rid of it because it guarantees power. If they were to replace they would have do it with gas.... The cost per kWh from that plant is going to be extraordinarily high but only because it's underutilized capital investment.

How would you propose we fairly assess the cost of power insurance on solar and wind?

franpipeman · Post by **franpipeman** » Sat. Jan. 25, 2020 5:07 pm

I think the State of Pa made a mistake in letting a existing nuke , Three mile island,shut down A existing already capitalized bridge fuel. The owners request should have been looked at for improvement of pricing.by the PUC It too is a under utilized capital investment The PUC would need to investigate a fair pricing that integrates a existing capital investment and the need to keep it going to provide power insurance for renewables. None of this is going to happen in a instant and its going to cost money. Its much like the moon race we determined what we wanted to do , and yea spend money and get it done. The space race created peripheral economic benefits and growth along the way . I would expect If climate changed is determined to be caused by fossil fuel usage , the price of recovering from that mistake hasn't even been determined yet, much like spent nuclear fuel cost.
Best i can do on short notice

LouNY · Post by **LouNY** » Sat. Jan. 25, 2020 5:46 pm

Interesting links.
I wish there was a bigger push for new small nuclear systems.

Post by **Richard S.** » Sun. Jan. 26, 2020 12:20 am

franpipeman wrote: ↑
Sat. Jan. 25, 2020 5:07 pm
I think the State of Pa made a mistake in letting a existing nuke , Three mile island,shut down A existing already capitalized bridge fuel.

They are in the same boat as coal, they are not as adaptable to intermittent production from renewable energy as gas. Regardless of whether it's gas, coal or nuclear as more renewable comes online the utilization of the capital investment in those plants will diminish and the cost per kWh will rise.

The analogy I like to use is if you had a requirement to drive 301 miles each day. Even if an electric car can get you 300 miles you still need to buy a gasoline vehicle for the last mile... Might as well just use the gasoline vehicle for the whole trip and skip the expense of the electric car.