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Re: Idaho Solar Power Cost to closeout Coal
Posted: Thu. Apr. 11, 2019 6:04 pm
by Sunny Boy
BigBarney wrote: ↑Thu. Apr. 11, 2019 2:42 pm
You actually don't have to own land to harvest solar you
could live in your vehicle and stay on public roads, parks and
anywhere you could park for free and have solar panels on the
all the time . When the season changes you move on to sunnier
climates and enjoy all that is free....
There's no stopping solar only some type of work to acquire
what you need for it to be able to provide for you.
BigBarney
Sure, give up a job and be homeless living out of my car so I can use solar.
And you could get in your EV and come back to visit reality once in awhile, too.
Paul
Re: Idaho Solar Power Cost to closeout Coal
Posted: Thu. Apr. 11, 2019 6:17 pm
by KLook
That is his most delusional post yet. Fantasy world.
Kevin
Re: Idaho Solar Power Cost to closeout Coal
Posted: Thu. Apr. 11, 2019 6:53 pm
by Bubbalowe
CoalJockey wrote: ↑Sat. Apr. 06, 2019 8:08 am
Unless these things just appear out of thin air your argument continues to have holes shot all through it. Scrap metal is just that... scrap. No one is breaking down the doors for any of it with the likelyhood that it’s cheaper to produce new. Everyone here is well aware of the fuel production and disposal costs of coal but you provide no numbers on cost to build, operate, and decommission the solar. Talk is cheap... it takes money to buy whiskey.
All of the above are NOT free. You have an awesome ability for cherry picking whatever information tickles your own ears, never mind what it takes to make it a reality. You have been going on with this garbage all Winter long and have yet to provide proof of anything other than the link you found while Googling the latest tech news every morning while you are on the can.
I don’t work for free Sir and neither do/did you.
Actually scrap aluminum is a core business to the industry. The US and Canada recycle over 5 million tons of aluminum annually.
Steel? 2 out of 3 tons of new steel is made from scrap. Yes, they do beat the doors down for scrap and no, it is not cheaper to make from ore. Scrap is transported by truck or rail so there is whiskey money to go around.
Re: Idaho Solar Power Cost to closeout Coal
Posted: Thu. Apr. 11, 2019 8:17 pm
by CoalJockey
Yes Bubba that is all nice but did you pay attention to my last line that stated something about working for free?
And demand goes DOOOOWWwwwwnnn...
https://resource-recycling.com/recycling/2019/01/ ... -mrf-woes/
Seems as though aluminum is not the beauty queen these days that everyone expects it to be. Rather UN-profitable to decommission those panels when the final sale price may not be worth the sorting and hauling. Nothing is attractive about break-even, 5 million tons a year or not.
Pendulums swing wildly on scrap metal prices, another factor impossible to predict more than a year ahead.
Re: Idaho Solar Power Cost to closeout Coal
Posted: Fri. Apr. 12, 2019 5:23 pm
by BigBarney
Tell me what the price of scrap aluminum will be in 40 years...
Consult your crystal ball....
Up about 6% year over 40 years in the past , well over the money
market rate....
BigBarney
Re: Idaho Solar Power Cost to closeout Coal
Posted: Fri. Apr. 12, 2019 5:55 pm
by CoalJockey
I don’t know what it’s going to be Barney and neither do you.
My point is you can be mighty disappointed at different times if you want to hang your hat on salvage. You can always tell how good it is around these parts when everyone’s boneyard out back gets cleaned up and hauled away. When junk starts accumulating behind everyone’s shops (including my own) you know it’s not worth the fuel to haul it away.
BTW we are still patiently waiting on your costs to build, maintain, and decommission. Look in YOUR crystal ball... take your time, just don’t stare yourself into a daze.
Re: Idaho Solar Power Cost to closeout Coal
Posted: Sun. Apr. 14, 2019 4:58 pm
by BigBarney
After generating power for 30-40 years really who cares
about salvage value , what is a coal plant worth 30-40 years
down the road.. Just like most assets they depreciate
in value to scrap after a life time is exhausted.
BigBarney
Re: Idaho Solar Power Cost to closeout Coal
Posted: Sun. Apr. 14, 2019 6:07 pm
by CapeCoaler
Panels will start to degrade after 20 years...
How about talking about the power yield curve...
Most don't know about that dirty little secret...
Re: Idaho Solar Power Cost to closeout Coal
Posted: Sun. Apr. 14, 2019 6:09 pm
by CapeCoaler
It's not about scrap value...
But the fact about rare earth metals...
Your solar farm will be a hazmat site...
Until the panels are removed...
Re: Idaho Solar Power Cost to closeout Coal
Posted: Mon. Apr. 15, 2019 8:52 am
by Sunny Boy
CapeCoaler wrote: ↑Sun. Apr. 14, 2019 6:07 pm
Panels will start to degrade after 20 years...
How about talking about the power yield curve...
Most don't know about that dirty little secret...
I just looked that up. Panels degrade every year. The manufactures supposedly list the % rate. By 20 years they are typically down to mid 80% output.
But, Barney still hasn't answered my question. Who is going to clear snow off all those panels out in snow covered fields every time there is a dusting of snow or more ? And what about solar energy drop relative to latitude ? As you move further north or south away from the equator there's less solar energy hitting the earth.
Barney makes it sound like this is great idea anywhere crops grow. Even the type of crops have to take the amount of local solar radiation into account.
Paul
Re: Idaho Solar Power Cost to closeout Coal
Posted: Tue. Apr. 16, 2019 1:34 pm
by BigBarney
Re: Idaho Solar Power Cost to closeout Coal
Posted: Tue. Apr. 16, 2019 4:42 pm
by CapeCoaler
The problem is that the Snow TENG produces a pretty tiny amount of electricity in its current form – it has a power density of 0.2 mW per square meter. That means you won't really be hooking that up to the grid like a solar panel, but it could make for small, self-powered weather sensors.
Might be a problem...
Do you prefer sugar-free or regular...