yet another inconvenient truth

 
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Post by franpipeman » Mon. Nov. 26, 2018 8:41 am

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/24/climate/coal-g ... rming.html

I am disturbed from reading the above article. yet I am impressed and find comfort in having a wonderful automatics hydronic anthracite fueled residential heating system. I just need to take out the ashes . How significant are the environmental concerns with home heating anthracite burning/. . Yes Coal power plants are the workhorses of the worlds economy yet inefficient. Change is hard yet I am a believer in science and not wishful thinking.
Do we take the easy road or the hard road? Life is always full of the two roads that go into woods, some decisions you cant take back The above article is difficult .Without electricity civilization would be quite uncivilized. If these facts are true the results will impact our economic sustainability ..


"We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too ." Pres JFK






Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;

Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,

I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference. Robert Frost


 
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Post by franco b » Mon. Nov. 26, 2018 11:56 am

Global temperature has fallen over the last two years, so truth seems to be what the teller deems it to be.

 
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Post by CoalJockey » Mon. Nov. 26, 2018 12:16 pm

First of all, yes I did read that article.

I am not a denier of science. However, until a way is figured out how to separate science from the influence of politics, it goes nowhere with me. At the present time, those making the most noise about this issue have no interest in it for anything more than financial and political gain. Michael Moore and Al Gore have made millions off of this until the truth came out about their own carbon footprint being larger than my coal yard and now Moore’s latest movie was an embarrassing flop. These people are all about science but still try to convince me that gender is not determined at birth and a whole other sick list of “scientific facts” that are determined by how they feel at the given moment. Whatever, enough of that.

As far as large corporations and big banks making profit off of coal, that is a moot point as there will be plenty of grant money, federal funding and stockholders getting duly rich off of wind and solar so the only change we see here are who holds the moneybag. Coal will be a large part of the Worlds energy needs for centuries to come, if not in this country then someplace else.

And the bottom line: There still has not been a baseline established for the “change”... like what the hell are we comparing it to? Nothing but crickets. And that’s the end of it... for me anyhow.

 
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Post by franpipeman » Mon. Nov. 26, 2018 4:05 pm

Today Our nations space Agency landed vessel on the planet Mars with Instrumentation from many nations, I believe them.I am 65 years old. I believe we also landed on the moon.
I also believe this document produced by NASA
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

 
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Post by franco b » Mon. Nov. 26, 2018 4:45 pm

For centuries CO2 has never been above the line, but many millennia ago it was far above the line.

An argument that injects consensus is false since truth is not subject to vote. All scientific advancement at one time violated the then current consensus

 
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Post by scalabro » Mon. Nov. 26, 2018 5:18 pm

franpipeman wrote:
Mon. Nov. 26, 2018 4:05 pm
I believe we also landed on the moon.
😝

I’m 56, I’ve been a FAA certificated aircraft mechanic for 36 years.
Sometimes I seriously doubt that....

Men landed on our moon.
Got out of the LEM.
Walked around.
Got back in.
Blasted off and navigated back to the Service Module.
Docked with the SM.
Separated the LEM from the SM.
Journeyed another 250K back to Earth.
Separated the command module from the SM.
Successfully re entered the atmosphere.
Opened all three parachutes and survived a water landing.

And that’s only about half the trip on 60’s tech🤯😝


 
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Post by franpipeman » Mon. Nov. 26, 2018 5:59 pm

uh What kind of 60s tech you talking about the Rambler? or timothy leary

 
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Post by CoalisCoolxWarm » Mon. Nov. 26, 2018 8:22 pm

'Always consider the source'
'What is their motivation?'
'Follow the money'

The same set of data can be interpreted for multiple outcomes. It usually follows the path that yields the most money and prestige/power.

 
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Post by CoalJockey » Mon. Nov. 26, 2018 9:10 pm

If you are going to compare something you need to first have something with which to compare it to. When you stop and consider how many hundred million years old this rock really is, comparing it to the last decade is a joke. Man was not here at the Creation, hence the lack of a baseline that current times can be compared to. What part of this cannot be understood?

The climate has been constantly changing here since the Good Lord created this earth, it will continue to change long after man has wiped himself clean of this place. It still rains, shines and gets warm in the Summer, snows, blows, gets colder than blue blazes in the Winter... Spring and Fall are unpredictable and frustrating. What more do you really want?

Please tell me what huge, enormous, devastating, physical impact has all this climate change had on you or anyone you know of in the last 50 years? We didn’t just start burning fossil fuels last week. Seriously... think for yourself and don’t let someone else with a biased agenda tell you what you SHOULD think... the math does not add up.

There is nothing to see here.

 
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Post by franpipeman » Tue. Nov. 27, 2018 7:53 am

Logic
When you take a lottery ticket statistically it is almost statistically certain you will not win, and you should plan your life that way ....... but its true no one can absolutely prove before hand that you will not win ..... your taking a chance and some outcomes are greatly higher than other outcomes and they are the trends that help you to make a proper decision.

 
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Post by Bubbalowe » Tue. Nov. 27, 2018 12:21 pm

scalabro wrote:
Mon. Nov. 26, 2018 5:18 pm
😝

I’m 56, I’ve been a FAA certificated aircraft mechanic for 36 years.
Sometimes I seriously doubt that....

Men landed on our moon.
Got out of the LEM.
Walked around.
Got back in.
Blasted off and navigated back to the Service Module.
Docked with the SM.
Separated the LEM from the SM.
Journeyed another 250K back to Earth.
Separated the command module from the SM.
Successfully re entered the atmosphere.
Opened all three parachutes and survived a water landing.

And that’s only about half the trip on 60’s tech🤯😝
It's said today's cellphones have more data than early spacecraft, makes their accomplishments that much more heroic.

 
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Post by KLook » Tue. Nov. 27, 2018 5:16 pm

It's said today's cellphones have more data than early spacecraft, makes their accomplishments that much more heroic.
Top
Or more unlikely?

Kevin

 
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Post by tsb » Tue. Nov. 27, 2018 5:36 pm

More CO2, more plants. More plants, more coal. Maybe the earth just wants to make more coal for the next round.


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