"We Can Buy New Renewables Cheaper Than Existing Fossil Fuels"
- franpipeman
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I just got a two year all 100 Per cent renewable electric generation plan from First Energy for .067 per kwh. First Energy are selling all their customer to Constellation a division of Excelon who is heavy nuclear.
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On a first guess I would presume your delivered cost to be right around twice the cost of the raw electricity. Call it $0.134 per KWH.franpipeman wrote: ↑Wed. Sep. 12, 2018 6:44 pmI just got a two year all 100 Per cent renewable electric generation plan from First Energy for .067 per kwh. First Energy are selling all their customer to Constellation a division of Excelon who is heavy nuclear.
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How’s that working out in Germany Barney?
After going “all-in” on solar and wind and spending $1.1 trillion only to find out that they have had ZERO effect on global warming now they are eliminating the subsidies and have now increased the use of coal-fired power back to 44% of their electrical supply. What a bunch of idiots.
What the hell does that have to do with the market here in the US? Take away the heavy government subsidies for wind and solar and suddenly the playing field will be level once again. The main reason for the high cost of coal-generated power here in the States was due to the previous administrations unchecked chain of devastating regulations which in turn had disasterous effects on the price of production.
Whatever your “what’s new fad for today”... in the end it will all eventually return to coal.
After going “all-in” on solar and wind and spending $1.1 trillion only to find out that they have had ZERO effect on global warming now they are eliminating the subsidies and have now increased the use of coal-fired power back to 44% of their electrical supply. What a bunch of idiots.
What the hell does that have to do with the market here in the US? Take away the heavy government subsidies for wind and solar and suddenly the playing field will be level once again. The main reason for the high cost of coal-generated power here in the States was due to the previous administrations unchecked chain of devastating regulations which in turn had disasterous effects on the price of production.
Whatever your “what’s new fad for today”... in the end it will all eventually return to coal.
- franpipeman
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4.54 per kwh is my distribution plus 17$ connection fee The generation charge is usually .077 at it lowest
- franpipeman
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64$ generation and transmission
54 $distribution
54 $distribution
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At $0.118 delivered per KWH, this is a tremendous rate. Well better than the roughly $0.1435 that I'm paying. But Ohio also taxes energy.
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For transparency There is also connection fee also and if i simply divide bill by month kwh used the bill is .122 per kwh
August electric rates;;;
del on peak $0.06026 7am-11pm
del off peak $0.009339 11pm-7am
supply on peak $0.03873
supply off peak $0.02555
supply super peak $0.1381 Jun-Aug 2pm -6pm
So $0.9899 Peak & $ 0.034889 Off Peak + $20.36 Customer fee
Plus all the fees minus the credits ... National Grid Rates
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del on peak $0.06026 7am-11pm
del off peak $0.009339 11pm-7am
supply on peak $0.03873
supply off peak $0.02555
supply super peak $0.1381 Jun-Aug 2pm -6pm
So $0.9899 Peak & $ 0.034889 Off Peak + $20.36 Customer fee
Plus all the fees minus the credits ... National Grid Rates
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National grid rates where? And how many have the option of off peak rates? I havent saw 9 cent rates in 15 years and no off peak in close to 20 years.
Western NY right now ...
The rates I get are the VTOU vehicle rate ...EV required...
https://www.nationalgridus.com/Time-of-Use
But anyone can get the TOU
https://www.nationalgridus.com/Upstate-NY-Home/Ra ... vice-Rates
https://www9.nationalgridus.com/niagaramohawk/bus ... arge_a.asp
sc-ic rate has more off peak and also shoulder peak rates.
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The rates I get are the VTOU vehicle rate ...EV required...
https://www.nationalgridus.com/Time-of-Use
But anyone can get the TOU
https://www.nationalgridus.com/Upstate-NY-Home/Ra ... vice-Rates
https://www9.nationalgridus.com/niagaramohawk/bus ... arge_a.asp
sc-ic rate has more off peak and also shoulder peak rates.
BigBarney
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I only see 3 states, NY, MA, and RI rates mentioned unless I did something wrong. I didnt do any other checking. So the national rate just means customers thru your provider, which happens to be called national. I was thinking you were talking about the whole nation (national), as in 50, or at least 48, states. Not just parts of 3 states. OK, now Im confused about 1 less thingBigBarney wrote: ↑Fri. Sep. 14, 2018 3:30 pmWestern NY right now ...
The rates I get are the VTOU vehicle rate ...EV required...
https://www.nationalgridus.com/Time-of-Use
But anyone can get the TOU
https://www.nationalgridus.com/Upstate-NY-Home/Ra ... vice-Rates
https://www9.nationalgridus.com/niagaramohawk/bus ... arge_a.asp
sc-ic rate has more off peak and also shoulder peak rates.
BigBarney
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This is not a very intelligent question but I think very basic and the answer has much value.
Just because you say that is so much more cost effective now, how on earth do you know that it will continue to be this way years from now??
I will take a stab at the answer and tend to think that you simply have no way of knowing this. No matter what, the markets always adjust and stabilize over time to the point that you will eventually pay your fair share.
Example: Drive up demand for solar panels and windmills and watch the price drive up as well. Utility companies don’t support the grid out of the goodness of their hearts no matter how it is generated. You will eventually pay for what it is worth in one way or another.
There’s no such thing as a free breakfast but what do I know.
Just because you say that is so much more cost effective now, how on earth do you know that it will continue to be this way years from now??
I will take a stab at the answer and tend to think that you simply have no way of knowing this. No matter what, the markets always adjust and stabilize over time to the point that you will eventually pay your fair share.
Example: Drive up demand for solar panels and windmills and watch the price drive up as well. Utility companies don’t support the grid out of the goodness of their hearts no matter how it is generated. You will eventually pay for what it is worth in one way or another.
There’s no such thing as a free breakfast but what do I know.