"We Can Buy New Renewables Cheaper Than Existing Fossil Fuels"

 
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Post by BigBarney » Wed. Sep. 12, 2018 4:56 pm

Latest News... Yesterday ... From an executive at Excel Energy....

Ways to save money for customers... and the company... now customers are interested....

https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/an-i ... gs.=KJqPz4

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Post by warminmn » Wed. Sep. 12, 2018 5:27 pm

Oh No!!! Not another one! :no1:

 
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Post by franpipeman » Wed. Sep. 12, 2018 6:44 pm

I just got a two year all 100 Per cent renewable electric generation plan from First Energy for .067 per kwh. First Energy are selling all their customer to Constellation a division of Excelon who is heavy nuclear.

 
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Post by lsayre » Wed. Sep. 12, 2018 7:21 pm

franpipeman wrote:
Wed. Sep. 12, 2018 6:44 pm
I just got a two year all 100 Per cent renewable electric generation plan from First Energy for .067 per kwh. First Energy are selling all their customer to Constellation a division of Excelon who is heavy nuclear.
On a first guess I would presume your delivered cost to be right around twice the cost of the raw electricity. Call it $0.134 per KWH.

 
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Post by CoalJockey » Wed. Sep. 12, 2018 8:46 pm

How’s that working out in Germany Barney?

After going “all-in” on solar and wind and spending $1.1 trillion only to find out that they have had ZERO effect on global warming now they are eliminating the subsidies and have now increased the use of coal-fired power back to 44% of their electrical supply. What a bunch of idiots.

What the hell does that have to do with the market here in the US? Take away the heavy government subsidies for wind and solar and suddenly the playing field will be level once again. The main reason for the high cost of coal-generated power here in the States was due to the previous administrations unchecked chain of devastating regulations which in turn had disasterous effects on the price of production.

Whatever your “what’s new fad for today”... in the end it will all eventually return to coal.

 
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Post by franpipeman » Thu. Sep. 13, 2018 7:25 am

4.54 per kwh is my distribution plus 17$ connection fee The generation charge is usually .077 at it lowest

 
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Post by franpipeman » Thu. Sep. 13, 2018 7:41 am

64$ generation and transmission
54 $distribution


 
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Post by Rob R. » Thu. Sep. 13, 2018 7:58 am

My electric company allows us to choose renewable energy as our supply choice...it is significantly more expensive.

 
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Post by lsayre » Thu. Sep. 13, 2018 9:00 am

franpipeman wrote:
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64$ generation and transmission
54 $distribution
At $0.118 delivered per KWH, this is a tremendous rate. Well better than the roughly $0.1435 that I'm paying. But Ohio also taxes energy.

 
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Post by franpipeman » Thu. Sep. 13, 2018 3:34 pm

For transparency There is also connection fee also and if i simply divide bill by month kwh used the bill is .122 per kwh

 
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Post by BigBarney » Fri. Sep. 14, 2018 1:49 pm

August electric rates;;;

del on peak $0.06026 7am-11pm

del off peak $0.009339 11pm-7am

supply on peak $0.03873

supply off peak $0.02555

supply super peak $0.1381 Jun-Aug 2pm -6pm

So $0.9899 Peak & $ 0.034889 Off Peak + $20.36 Customer fee

Plus all the fees minus the credits ... National Grid Rates

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Post by warminmn » Fri. Sep. 14, 2018 1:56 pm

National grid rates where? And how many have the option of off peak rates? I havent saw 9 cent rates in 15 years and no off peak in close to 20 years.

 
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Post by BigBarney » Fri. Sep. 14, 2018 3:30 pm

Western NY right now ...

The rates I get are the VTOU vehicle rate ...EV required...

https://www.nationalgridus.com/Time-of-Use


But anyone can get the TOU

https://www.nationalgridus.com/Upstate-NY-Home/Ra ... vice-Rates

https://www9.nationalgridus.com/niagaramohawk/bus ... arge_a.asp

sc-ic rate has more off peak and also shoulder peak rates.


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Post by warminmn » Fri. Sep. 14, 2018 4:22 pm

BigBarney wrote:
Fri. Sep. 14, 2018 3:30 pm
Western NY right now ...

The rates I get are the VTOU vehicle rate ...EV required...

https://www.nationalgridus.com/Time-of-Use


But anyone can get the TOU

https://www.nationalgridus.com/Upstate-NY-Home/Ra ... vice-Rates

https://www9.nationalgridus.com/niagaramohawk/bus ... arge_a.asp

sc-ic rate has more off peak and also shoulder peak rates.


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I only see 3 states, NY, MA, and RI rates mentioned unless I did something wrong. I didnt do any other checking. So the national rate just means customers thru your provider, which happens to be called national. I was thinking you were talking about the whole nation (national), as in 50, or at least 48, states. Not just parts of 3 states. OK, now Im confused about 1 less thing :lol:

 
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Post by CoalJockey » Fri. Sep. 14, 2018 9:48 pm

This is not a very intelligent question but I think very basic and the answer has much value.

Just because you say that is so much more cost effective now, how on earth do you know that it will continue to be this way years from now??

I will take a stab at the answer and tend to think that you simply have no way of knowing this. No matter what, the markets always adjust and stabilize over time to the point that you will eventually pay your fair share.

Example: Drive up demand for solar panels and windmills and watch the price drive up as well. Utility companies don’t support the grid out of the goodness of their hearts no matter how it is generated. You will eventually pay for what it is worth in one way or another.

There’s no such thing as a free breakfast but what do I know.


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