Why do people complain about electric prices????

 
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Post by BigBarney » Mon. Jul. 16, 2018 12:47 pm

Here's an ad for a Detroit electric car in 1916 ... note the price of electric to petrol...


Electric in 1916 was $.08 per KWHr -------------- Gasoline was $.23 per gallon

Now electric is $0.15 per KWHr ------------- Gasoline is $3.05 per gallon

Electric up ~ 50% in 102 years --------------- Gasoline up ~1300% in 102 years

Why worry about electric costs which are falling and oil going up ????

The increase in electric cost to consumers is not the cost of the electricity but

the cost to maintain a distribution network grid .

Note the price of the car $2125 when the petrol cars cost less than $300 .

Coal price in 1917 was $7.50 for anthracite (white ash) and bituminous

was $3.50 per ton in Pittsburgh PA. . Each city has a different price .

https://fraser.stlouisfed.org/content/?item_id=53 ... 8_1917.pdf

So 7x as much , so a Tesla at $75,000 seems to be a bargain ,about 7x as much

as the least expensive ICE vehicle . Also the improvements are probably worth

another 7x so it is a real steal . Average wages were $0.24 - $0.55 per hour in 1916 .

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Post by lsayre » Mon. Jul. 16, 2018 1:00 pm

For families struggling to make ends meet, $75,000 cars are clearly out of the question. Many hard working Americans would have trouble making the monthly payments on a $10,000 car, let alone $75,000. The sales tax alone on $75,000 would be over $5,000. So the real cost would be over $80,000.

How would you expect the average Joe to be able to afford an $80,000+ vehicle?

 
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Post by warminmn » Mon. Jul. 16, 2018 2:15 pm

lsayre wrote:
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For families struggling to make ends meet, $75,000 cars are clearly out of the question. Many hard working Americans would have trouble making the monthly payments on a $10,000 car, let alone $75,000. The sales tax alone on $75,000 would be over $5,000. So the real cost would be over $80,000.

How would you expect the average Joe to be able to afford an $80,000+ vehicle?
AMEN! :clap: The only thing you missed was the added insurance cost which would be very high and the high yearly licence plates in those states that charge by the cars value.... and maybe a tow truck a couple times for when it runs out of power.

 
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Post by hotblast1357 » Mon. Jul. 16, 2018 5:32 pm

Why do people keep pushing electric cars on a group of folks that are clearly not interested????

 
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Post by lsayre » Mon. Jul. 16, 2018 5:42 pm

Here's why I complain. I experienced a single month heating bill of $600 with electricity, and that was back when it was well less expensive than it is now. Now my heating cost is comparable to way less expensive natural gas.

 
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Post by lsayre » Mon. Jul. 16, 2018 5:43 pm

hotblast1357 wrote:
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Why do people keep pushing electric cars on a group of folks that are clearly not interested????s
Paid trolls?

 
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Post by hotblast1357 » Mon. Jul. 16, 2018 6:08 pm

lsayre wrote:
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Paid trolls?
The Clinton foundation?


 
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Post by warminmn » Mon. Jul. 16, 2018 6:11 pm

:lol: Yep, could be the Clinton Foundation as Im sure they are bored now. Or a salesman of the cars, like the Harman stove salesman a few years ago before they sold to Legacy.

That is a neat ad. I dont think electricity was 8 cents a KW back then though. It must mean 8 cents per ???? Charge? or some other unit?

 
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Post by CoalJockey » Mon. Jul. 16, 2018 6:48 pm

hotblast1357 wrote:
Mon. Jul. 16, 2018 5:32 pm
Why do people keep pushing electric cars on a group of folks that are clearly not interested????
Please don’t anyone make him stop, it used to be somewhat annoying... sort of like smashing my head through a wall but I now get my daily jollies on reading his endless babble.

He is mighty dedicated to his cause isn’t he?

 
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Post by franco b » Mon. Jul. 16, 2018 6:54 pm

I don't understand the hostility toward electric cars. I don't want one at this point, but they are viable and will be more so at some point as batteries improve. Lessening demand on gas is a good thing to keep prices down. A mix of fuels is good as each evolves.

Electric cars still have no long term, heavy duty use, so remain unproven, even if Tesla survives I suspect an avalanche of service problems as they age.

 
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Post by Lightning » Mon. Jul. 16, 2018 7:13 pm

lsayre wrote:
Mon. Jul. 16, 2018 1:00 pm
he sales tax alone on $75,000 would be over $5,000. So the real cost would be over $80,000.
And who has that kind of money without taking a loan? Don't forget about interest.

My 2004 Jeep was $5500 with 104,000 miles on it 7 years ago. It recently passed 150,000 miles. I've probably put $5000 into since purchase but that still only works out to $125 a month. I make a decent wage compared to many in my area but I will never see myself spending 75 grand on anything, let alone a vehicle lol.

 
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Post by hotblast1357 » Mon. Jul. 16, 2018 7:17 pm

CoalJockey wrote:
Mon. Jul. 16, 2018 6:48 pm
He is mighty dedicated to his cause isn’t he?
Lol yes he is!

 
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Post by hotblast1357 » Mon. Jul. 16, 2018 7:19 pm

franco b wrote:
Mon. Jul. 16, 2018 6:54 pm
I don't understand the hostility toward electric cars.
It’s not towards the cars, I like electric things for the most part, I see them more as a convenience.. but not a reliable tool, no matter what the electric thing is...

It’s pushy people that can’t reason with anyone.

 
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Post by Lightning » Mon. Jul. 16, 2018 7:27 pm

I could see an electric car being a good choice as a secondary vehicle. Such as a grocery getter or back and forth to work, if it's close, maybe. Can I buy one for 5 grand?

 
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Post by hotblast1357 » Mon. Jul. 16, 2018 7:46 pm

Lightning wrote:
Mon. Jul. 16, 2018 7:27 pm
I could see an electric car being a good choice as a secondary vehicle. Such as a grocery getter or back and forth to work, if it's close, maybe. Can I buy one for 5 grand?

Yup, go see your local golf course!


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