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Post by coalnewbie » Wed. Apr. 25, 2018 6:15 pm

So the environuts shut the mines and shuttered the coal powerplants in the UK and then look what happened..

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-New ... ports.html

US take notice. They have worked out that solar and wind won't make it. To late of course. BIG problem for them.

We need more EVs :D :D :D


 
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Post by franpipeman » Wed. Apr. 25, 2018 7:54 pm

We are in a struggle to use as much energy as we can without hurting our selves . It will not be as easy solution and will take a generation of time to make progress
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/22/world/europe/p ... ution.html

 
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Post by BigBarney » Fri. May. 04, 2018 1:30 pm

One of the largest coal power plants ...Towers at Nanticoke ...

http://www.680news.com/video/2018/02/28/towers-at ... detonated/

This was directly across Lake Erie from my house and now I can't see the stacks anymore.

All summer we could see the coal ships coming into unload coal for this plant.

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Post by KLook » Fri. May. 04, 2018 8:27 pm

And what will replace it? Unicorn farts?

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Post by BigBarney » Sat. May. 05, 2018 10:43 am

Here's their supply....

http://www.ieso.ca/learn/ontario-supply-mix/ontar ... y-capacity

"Over the past decade, wind, solar, bioenergy, hydro, refurbished nuclear and natural gas-fired resources have replaced Ontario’s coal fleet"

"The largest percentage of distributed generation, also known as embedded generation, is from solar facilities."

They have replaced 100% of the coal plants...

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Post by Rob R. » Sat. May. 05, 2018 11:18 am

They have also lost most of their industry, so the power demand is way down.


 
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Post by KingCoal » Sat. May. 05, 2018 4:50 pm

oh great, what are we going to do to keep THOSE nuts from coming down here to steal jobs ??

Hawaii is about to blow up, we'll be having them landing on the west coast in row boats soon enough too.

it's a mess i tell ya.

 
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Post by coalnewbie » Sun. May. 06, 2018 7:03 am

It can work both ways. Imagine a poor out of work VA coal miner deported to HI. No surfing skills, no experience with recreational drugs and no suntan at a time when SPF chemicals are being banned there to save the reefs. Destined to spend the rest of his life on the beach gazing at tanned lovelies, perhaps signing up for yoga classes.... it's a horrible way to go. Something has to be done. Oh the volcanoes, they come and go, no problem.

 
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Post by KingCoal » Thu. May. 10, 2018 7:49 pm

some how i missed this for 4 days.

we think far too much alike. :lol: :lol: 8-)

 
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Post by BigBarney » Fri. May. 11, 2018 12:31 pm

How can they afford to run....

https://electrek.co/2018/05/09/egeb-solar-power-c ... ions-jobs/

They have to cut their costs by 50% just to be even , not even possible .

“As LCOE(Levelized Cost of Energy) values for alternative energy technologies continue to decline, in some scenarios the full-lifecycle costs of building and operating renewables-based projects have dropped below the operating costs alone of conventional generation technologies such as coal or nuclear. This is expected to lead to ongoing and significant deployment of alternative energy capacity.”

https://electrek.co/2018/05/10/egeb-crypto-solar- ... aper-coal/

"A cold war-era law might be revived to subsidize failing fossil fuels companies. The U.S. Energy Department might use a law dating back to the Korean war to protect inefficient energy and utility providers that happen to employ a lot of people in key electoral states. The first beneficiary might be FirstEnergy, officially bankrupt since March 31. This help might take many forms, including:"

“loans and loan guarantees or purchase commitments. It could also be used to help specific regions or plants.”

The power plants of First Energy Generation are on life support , why run these when cheaper

power can be sourced on the grid ?

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Post by freetown fred » Fri. May. 11, 2018 2:36 pm

Cheaper for WHO B?? Damn sure not the tax payer--you need to stop bein so excited about all these subsidys you keep so happily spoutin off about--course I got a feelin all this is just a novelty for you--ME??? I farm & pinch every penny I make to keep doin so.

 
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Post by BigBarney » Fri. May. 11, 2018 4:05 pm

Electricity has not risen much over the last 40 years , but people use a

larger amount for what they want to do.

https://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data/annual/showt ... ?t=ptb0810

Per this chart electric is now cheaper in real costs than in 1960 , over

55 years . $0.14 , down in 2011 to $0.1041 per KWHr .

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Post by Sunny Boy » Fri. May. 11, 2018 7:59 pm

BigBarney wrote:
Fri. May. 11, 2018 4:05 pm
Electricity has not risen much over the last 40 years , but people use a

larger amount for what they want to do.

https://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data/annual/showt ... ?t=ptb0810

Per this chart electric is now cheaper in real costs than in 1960 , over

55 years . $0.14 , down in 2011 to $0.1041 per KWHr .

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I can see you weren't living in the New York and the area covered in this chart, which has about one in ten Americans.
https://www.bls.gov/regions/new-york-new-jersey/n ... htm#chart2

When I bought my house on Long Island in '79 it was $.12KWH. When I left in '92 it was $.16KWH. Now it's almost $.20KWH. I'd say that's gone up quite a bit.

Even though it is comparatively low, my summer rate here has gone up about 50% in 26 years and more than 100% in the winter months.

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Post by BigBarney » Fri. May. 11, 2018 9:21 pm

I never saw that chart before and shows how consistently NY City area is

above average in all costs ." Compared to the rest of the country, New

York's cost of living is 80.00% Higher than the U.S. average."

https://www.bestplaces.net/city/new_york/new_york

The last chart is interesting in that electric is the same price in 2018 as in

was in January 2017 so there was no increase . So in real $ you now pay less

than 1960 cost of $0.14 KWHr . Most of the price change was in the delivery

charge not the generation cost . Your rate went up 1.7% a year .

I have lived in WNY since 1980.

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