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Post by windyhill4.2 » Thu. Mar. 29, 2018 4:39 pm

BB, you have already posted the same article on another of your threads... it is mis-information ... First Energy is on the verge of bankruptcy & has asked the government to help it's NUCLEAR & COAL plants.


 
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Post by BigBarney » Thu. Mar. 29, 2018 6:12 pm

I wrongly figured you all knew the distribution and supply are separate

companies . First Energy and First Energy Solutions the generator.

The supplier is in deep trouble , even their newer plants cannot compete.

They asked to be part of the rate setting base in WV and were denied be-

cause it would penalize the customers to a great extent.

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Post by franpipeman » Thu. Mar. 29, 2018 7:49 pm

isn't bituminous power plant usage the main polluter by coal and not anthracite home heating usage?all of course if you believe in air pollution by fossil fuel usage

 
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Post by KLook » Thu. Mar. 29, 2018 8:30 pm

And what source is under cutting them???? You are more insane then I thought. The video put up about the UK guy that explained how many sq miles of panels it would take and acres of wind farms required to replace ONE nuclear plant and you put up this as proof???? My electricity is cheaper then anyone in this forum's, lets bet. It is Nuclear and TVA and Coal fired plants. The only solar "farm" in this area is at the VW plant.....and it might power the outside lights for a few hours.......Zero windmills.....

 
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Post by windyhill4.2 » Thu. Mar. 29, 2018 8:33 pm

BigBarney wrote:
Thu. Mar. 29, 2018 6:12 pm
I wrongly figured you all knew the distribution and supply are separate

companies . First Energy and First Energy Solutions the generator.

The supplier is in deep trouble , even their newer plants cannot compete.

They asked to be part of the rate setting base in WV and were denied be-

cause it would penalize the customers to a great extent.

BigBarney
I am completely aware that there is a difference between supplier & distributor. First Energy is both for my electrical needs.

 
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Post by Rob R. » Thu. Mar. 29, 2018 9:32 pm

Regardless of how much wind and solar we have, there better still be some plants plugged in that can shoulder the load when it is below zero for weeks. I recently read that in this past January the some Northeast power plants burned as much No.2 fuel oil in 3 weeks to generate power as the entire state of Vermont burns all winter. High load, low renewables output, strained NG grid...good thing there was fuel oil and coal to shoulder the load.

I think as more and more homes are with out supplemental heat, it makes the spike in electrical demand worse. Instead of firing up the wood stove, people plug in space heaters.

 
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Post by samhill » Fri. Mar. 30, 2018 8:00 am

In most areas the highest demand is in the summer for AC rather than winter months!


 
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Post by lsayre » Fri. Mar. 30, 2018 8:55 am

samhill wrote:
Fri. Mar. 30, 2018 8:00 am
In most areas the highest demand is in the summer for AC rather than winter months!
This is because virtually all air conditioning is accomplished via electricity, but only a fraction of home heating is accomplished via electricity.

 
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Post by David... » Fri. Mar. 30, 2018 11:14 am

Electricity is second to natural gas as the most popular fuel to heat in the US.

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Post by BigBarney » Wed. Apr. 04, 2018 7:15 pm

The solution to this problem is balance between all power sources with

the majority going to the least polluting source at the competitive market

price , and lesser amounts to others.

We may have to subsidize a few plants but only newer ones with the most

modern environmental controls , to stabilize the grid when under stress.

These peaking loads are usually met by power plants that can be quickly

started and can be shut down when not needed , coal plants are not in this

category and are better for base load utilization . Base load plants are included

in the tariff rates so are not usually in the peaking pool.

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Post by Sunny Boy » Thu. Apr. 05, 2018 7:44 am

Our electric rates about double in winter because of the much higher electric demand for heat.

Not many air conditioners used around here because our summers don't get all that hot. But lots have switched over to electric heat all through our long winters because the KWH rates used to be very low.

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Post by coalnewbie » Thu. Apr. 05, 2018 8:12 am

When you close 4 coal power plants that will happen.

 
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Post by Rob R. » Thu. Apr. 05, 2018 8:26 am

Sunny Boy wrote:
Thu. Apr. 05, 2018 7:44 am
Our electric rates about double in winter because of the much higher electric demand for heat.

Not many air conditioners used around here because our summers don't get all that hot. But lots have switched over to electric heat all through our long winters because the KWH rates used to be very low.

Paul
Same thing happens in a few small towns in my area. Plattsburgh, Lake Placid, and Rouses Point all have contracts for cheap hydro power that go back to the 1950's. The catch is that when they go over their quota the rates go up sharply.

 
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Post by Sunny Boy » Thu. Apr. 05, 2018 10:02 am

Rob R. wrote:
Thu. Apr. 05, 2018 8:26 am
Same thing happens in a few small towns in my area. Plattsburgh, Lake Placid, and Rouses Point all have contracts for cheap hydro power that go back to the 1950's. The catch is that when they go over their quota the rates go up sharply.
Yup, in our village it goes back to the 1920's, one of the first to sign a contract for St. Lawrence Seaway hydro power.

When we go over our village limit of 100K KW, the added charge is called "PPAC" here - it's for additional purchased power from the grid - usually gas fired power plants. The total is still low. Our village doesn't have extra charges for delivery and surcharges like other areas power companies charge them, just those two KWH costs totaled. My last month's bill was 5.9 cents per KWH for the total cost. In summer it goes down to just under 4 cents per KWH, because of a lower summer rate, plus there is no PPAC, purchased power needed. That's why so many homes have switched over to using electric heat, as have I.

But even at those low electric rates, coal is still cheaper to heat with here. ;)

Our Mayor says there are 42 communities in NYS that have such low rates because they have their own power department like here, or are part of a power co-op (my daughter's house in the next county). And, at least two of those communities have their own power plants.

Paul

Edit. A correction. I just dug out last month's bill - the typical peak-cost bill of the season because the PPAC's part of the cost is usually at it's highest - and on that bill it was 6.9 cents per KWH total.
Paul
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