50% (or whatever fraction electricity for home heating actually is) is indeed a fraction. Therefore there is no incongruity with regard to what I stated.
Coal Power Plants
They are all fractions no one fuel is 100%.
Depending on the region , most north , midwest , and west have a
50+ % of natgas , whereas the south uses electric primarily.
" Relatively few uses (including space heating, water heating, cooking, and clothes drying) offer a choice of equipment across fuels. Almost everything else including air conditioners, lights, refrigerators, televisions, computers, electronics and other devices is powered only by electricity. "
The heating fuels cannot in a home , power all your other needs.
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=7690
BigBarney
Depending on the region , most north , midwest , and west have a
50+ % of natgas , whereas the south uses electric primarily.
" Relatively few uses (including space heating, water heating, cooking, and clothes drying) offer a choice of equipment across fuels. Almost everything else including air conditioners, lights, refrigerators, televisions, computers, electronics and other devices is powered only by electricity. "
The heating fuels cannot in a home , power all your other needs.
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=7690
BigBarney
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A snippet from Electric Power Generation projects now and then later... I'm just the messenger.
Low U.S. natural gas prices, relative stability in crude oil prices and increased consumer demand have spurred further plant construction activity.
NorthEast
Power generation is an important driver in the Northeast as natural gas plants are being built to replace coal and nuclear plants. In addition, pipeline capacity is being built up as quick as permits are approved to get gas from the shale plays to users. There will be several projects to prepare and support the Shell ethylene cracker and petrochemcial complex in Beaver County, Pennsylvania.
We anticipate further growth of the chemical industry in the northeast because it is so central to natural gas.
Additional Drivers
Nearly half of construction spending in the northeast is on consumer goods construction spending. This is largely tied to packaging.
Packaging demand is largely driven by consumer spending, which is on the rise.
As online shopping increases, so does the demand for the packaging materials to ship the products in.
U.S. quarterly spending in the U.S. hit an all-time high of $12,035.23 billion in the fourth quarter of 2017, up 99% from the third quarter of 2017, according to Trading Economics.
South
Multiple projects are driving construction spending in the South including ethylene crackers and ethylene derivative plants, pipelines for natural gas and crude, power and natural gas liquids (NGL) projects and more.
Even as several new ethylene and polyolefin units begin commercial operations in 2018, construction of more than another dozen unit projects are planned to begin this year.
Additional projects are on the horizon for 2019 and 2020, with a majority of this new capacity expected to come online between 2022 and 2023.
MidWest
Electric power construction spending is also up in the Midwest, with $4.7 billion expected in wind power construction, $3.9 billion in natural gas power construction, $3.8 billion in coal power construction, and $1.0 billion in nuclear power construction, according to IIR.
West
Power spending is also up in the West, with $2.9 billion in construction spending expected for solar power, $3.9 billion for natural gas power, and $2.8 billion for wind power.
Construction spending is also up for the manufacturing of electric vehicles by companies such as Tesla and rising competitors.
McGiever...
That is all true except in the West where they are cancelling gas plants
left and right. More put on hold in the last few weeks.
https://www.utilitydive.com/news/california-muni- ... ns/520871/
They could end up with stranded assets like the eastern power companies.
"In each case, the decision to halt a gas plant investment came from increasing competition from renewable energy and storage, whose prices have fallen precipitously over the past few years. In Arizona, regulators also rejected utility generation plans when they put the gas moratorium in place, saying they wanted to avoid "unnecessary capital improvements in the near future and stranded asset costs in the long-term."
There will be some replacement activity but overall no new plants only upgrades.
In NY they want to upgrade the power line to be able to move the renewable
energy to where its needed..
https://www.utilitydive.com/news/nypa-proposes-re ... bl/520809/
The plant Shell is building for poly films is needed to use the natural gas
feedstocks which are now readily available.
BigBarney
That is all true except in the West where they are cancelling gas plants
left and right. More put on hold in the last few weeks.
https://www.utilitydive.com/news/california-muni- ... ns/520871/
They could end up with stranded assets like the eastern power companies.
"In each case, the decision to halt a gas plant investment came from increasing competition from renewable energy and storage, whose prices have fallen precipitously over the past few years. In Arizona, regulators also rejected utility generation plans when they put the gas moratorium in place, saying they wanted to avoid "unnecessary capital improvements in the near future and stranded asset costs in the long-term."
There will be some replacement activity but overall no new plants only upgrades.
In NY they want to upgrade the power line to be able to move the renewable
energy to where its needed..
https://www.utilitydive.com/news/nypa-proposes-re ... bl/520809/
The plant Shell is building for poly films is needed to use the natural gas
feedstocks which are now readily available.
BigBarney
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Shell Plant being built now is where I'd be working now were it not for retiring a year ago.
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All very nice but the nation needs a mix of energy sources ...
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Then stop subsidizing solar, I am tire of bleeding my taxes there.
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After nine pages of blah,blah, the laws of physics remain unchanged.
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If only all the CEO's and shareholders of electric generation and utilities would get a grip...that's where coal plants futures are all sorted out. Coal is messy.
Answering some of the posts...
The laws of FINANCE are the rules that are KING .
Rules of physics determine if a process is viable and it takes
many man hours to develop and refine that it will be cost
effective . Heat engines are as far as they can go because of
their low efficiency of ~20% , even with 20% gains they are real
poor use of energy , most is lost as heat and friction.
Any power plant with any fuel cost will be obsolete sometime
in the future , only the speed of technology will regulate when
it happens.
We are all subsidizing power plants that should be shut down and
only used in a backup role if at all .
See APPLE has reached 100% renewable for most of their campuses.
https://mashable.com/2018/04/09/apple-clean-energ ... aSH4XLGaqQ
I know that this is a little misleading because they purchase credits from
power producer to off set some of the conventional energy they need in
day to day operation.
BigBarney
The laws of FINANCE are the rules that are KING .
Rules of physics determine if a process is viable and it takes
many man hours to develop and refine that it will be cost
effective . Heat engines are as far as they can go because of
their low efficiency of ~20% , even with 20% gains they are real
poor use of energy , most is lost as heat and friction.
Any power plant with any fuel cost will be obsolete sometime
in the future , only the speed of technology will regulate when
it happens.
We are all subsidizing power plants that should be shut down and
only used in a backup role if at all .
See APPLE has reached 100% renewable for most of their campuses.
https://mashable.com/2018/04/09/apple-clean-energ ... aSH4XLGaqQ
I know that this is a little misleading because they purchase credits from
power producer to off set some of the conventional energy they need in
day to day operation.
BigBarney
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This is just the latest of these efforts they are endless
https://stateimpact.npr.org/pennsylvania/2018/03/ ... e-cleanup/
https://stateimpact.npr.org/pennsylvania/2018/03/ ... e-cleanup/