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Post Fri. Mar. 14, 2008 2:04 pm

Yep Richard is right on and As he knows we have lots of Big hills around Pretty much all of the roads are on Mountain
sides do what you will But I would not put that much on it If something would Happened until you are dunn paying all of the fines and that's if you don't die or kill anyone else It would be cheaper to rent a Tri - Axel that is made to haul that
much weight Plus your Fuel cost would be about the same Espcially if that truck is a gas engine The Tri axel diesel would probably use less even know it is more at the pump you would save in the long run
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Post Fri. Mar. 14, 2008 4:34 pm

It was just a thought... The guys in NY that have tri-axles and are willing to work cheap can't go into PA, and vice versa for the PA guys. The guys that have interstate licenses charge way more. I'm getting a truck pretty soon that is rated to tow 9,000lbs, so I guess a few trips with a 7k lb. trailer might do the trick. 2 trips at 3.5 tons each. probably cost less making 2 trips with the trailer than one trip with a big truck.
Burning coal is definitely worth the extra work involved.
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Post Fri. Mar. 14, 2008 5:34 pm

e.alleg wrote:It was just a thought... The guys in NY that have tri-axles and are willing to work cheap can't go into PA, and vice versa for the PA guys. The guys that have interstate licenses charge way more. I'm getting a truck pretty soon that is rated to tow 9,000lbs, so I guess a few trips with a 7k lb. trailer might do the trick. 2 trips at 3.5 tons each. probably cost less making 2 trips with the trailer than one trip with a big truck.
Ed when you come down you can talk to the guys at the breaker and see how much it would cost for a tri axel back in July & Aug it was 46.00 to 54.00 Per ton
now I would say it is 65 to 75 a ton might be less but not much with fuel at 3.99.9 a gal down here Why don't you see if you can get a 5 or 6 ton dump trailer that is the easiest to load and unload and the most coal in one shot look around call some contractor's and see if you could rent one off them for a day if you go with the 6x12 U haul put back front & sides on it 2 to 3 foot plywood you will get 4.5 tons on it with no problem been there dunn it with other members

http://www.uhaul.com/trailers/
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Post Fri. Mar. 14, 2008 6:45 pm

FWIW, you can rent a 3 yd dump truck for $79.95/day in my area. I just received an email flyer from a Framingham, MA Ford dealer (MUZI Ford City) making that offer. If one was to rent that truck once a month for a year, it would cost less than paying the mandatory insurance on that same truck in my jurisdiction. There is no mention of mileage surcharges.

It doesn't specify the model but I would have to assume 3 yds is equal to a F-550. I believe my Dodge Ram 3500 dump body is 2 yds. The Ford probably weighs around 8000 lbs and has a GVW of 18,000 lbs. That would allow for a 5 ton load and is equal to the average annual coal consumption of a typical house. The body would probably need side boards to handle the volume of 5 tons of coal. In any event, the truck would be legal for 5 tons.

Add in your fuel costs and your (or someone else's) labor. You may find that the savings are not that significant compared to a local coal dealer with a good summer price. You will have to crunch your own numbers. Use 10 MPG in the calculations.

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Post Fri. Mar. 14, 2008 7:05 pm

Wardner wrote:FWIW, you can rent a 3 yd dump truck for $79.95/day in my area. I just received an email flyer from a Framingham, MA Ford dealer (MUZI Ford City) making that offer. If one was to rent that truck once a month for a year, it would cost less than paying the mandatory insurance on that same truck in my jurisdiction. There is no mention of mileage surcharges.

It doesn't specify the model but I would have to assume 3 yds is equal to a F-550. I believe my Dodge Ram 3500 dump body is 2 yds. The Ford probably weighs around 8000 lbs and has a GVW of 18,000 lbs. That would allow for a 5 ton load and is equal to the average annual coal consumption of a typical house. The body would probably need side boards to handle the volume of 5 tons of coal. In any event, the truck would be legal for 5 tons.

Add in your fuel costs and your (or someone else's) labor. You may find that the savings are not that significant compared to a local coal dealer with a good summer price. You will have to crunch your own numbers. Use 10 MPG in the calculations.
You will not find any coal dealer cheaper then the coal breaker where the coal comes out of the ground and to the breaker and like I said if the fuel price stays up or goes up you will not see any summer Prices the mines and breaker use alot of fuel to get the coal out of the ground and to process it And remember these are the Places where the coal dealer is buying from and unless they are buying a 100 ton load or more they will be paying more for the coal then anyone that goes and Picks it up them self shipping coal by truck is not cheap and when you go and get youself you know what you are getting with a dealer you never know where the coal is coming from unless it is Bagged coal with the name on it and is sealed
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Post Fri. Mar. 14, 2008 8:00 pm

I tried to get a price on that enterprise truck last weekend. No can do; only week days on the phone. I forgot to call. Did any one get a rate?
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Post Fri. Mar. 14, 2008 8:29 pm

e.alleg wrote: The guys in NY that have tri-axles and are willing to work cheap can't go into PA, and vice versa for the PA guys
Seems like there may be a misunderstanding about the International Fuel Tax Agreement (IFTA).

Both PA and NY recognize the IFTA fuel sticker. In fact, all vehicles registered over 26,000 lbs in both states are required to report total fuel usage on a quarterly basis. This applies to every state except AK, HI, the District of Columbia, and some parts of Mexico and Canada. The form has line items for mileage for each state. A NY truck will not be stopped in PA for fuel tax evasion unless he has failed to submit the quarterly report.

Here is a FAQ regarding the IFTA.

http://www.boe.ca.gov/sptaxprog/mciftafaqs.htm

Seeing as how I don't live in NY or PA, there may be other permit requirements that I am not aware of. My apologies if that is the case.
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Post Fri. Mar. 14, 2008 8:39 pm

So what is the best way to hire someone to do a coal run? I'm not far from coal country but the idea of getting a couple or few tons over the summer is kind of intimidating. I've been running all sorts of scenarios by myself and not feeling comfortable with any at the time.


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Post Fri. Mar. 14, 2008 8:59 pm

tvb wrote:So what is the best way to hire someone to do a coal run?
(1) Select a supplier

(2) Let your friends know you need a truck or trucker, or

(3) Place a free ad at:

http://www.uship.com
http://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cgi-bin/haulquery.pl

The second site is a well used antique tractor forum. The link goes to the "Hauling Schedule". It is a clearing house for shippers and shippees. I picked up five loads on a cross country trip to/from CA last summer. It was almost like having a paid vacation.

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Post Fri. Mar. 14, 2008 9:00 pm

tvb wrote:So what is the best way to hire someone to do a coal run? I'm not far from coal country but the idea of getting a couple or few tons over the summer is kind of intimidating. I've been running all sorts of scenarios by myself and not feeling comfortable with any at the time.
If you have a good truck and trailer with good brakes and good tires
you will not have any problems Oh and a tarp and tie downs to cover you load
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Post Fri. Mar. 14, 2008 9:02 pm

I see you are in NJ. There used to be a couple of brothers, who lived by me, who ran their tri-axles to NJ for construction contracts. I don't know if they still do or not (one died). But, every weekend they'd head back to PA and then Sun. or Mon. would head for NJ. You could look around for some heavy construction, check the license plates and see if they are from coal country.

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Post Fri. Mar. 14, 2008 9:14 pm

Or you can call the coal breaker and get delivered but you would need room for 20 to 25 tons tri - axel load or 38Ft dump trailer 30tons Or PM wood ncoal he lives in Stillwater NJ Maybe you could pay him to come up and get coal for you he knows where the good stuff is I don't Know if he would but he might if you are not that far from him and you make it worth his time & work
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Post Fri. Mar. 14, 2008 9:17 pm

If you have a good truck and trailer with good brakes and good tires
you will not have any problems Oh and a tarp and tie downs to cover you load
I don't think a Honda Fit qualifies even if I am able to manage 600 lbs of bagged coal at a time and driving real slow.

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Post Fri. Mar. 14, 2008 9:23 pm

Or you can call the coal breaker and get delivered but you would need room for 20 to 25 tons tri - axel load or 38Ft dump trailer 30tons
Naw...not that much room. I live in town in Flemington and am anxiously awaiting the visit from zoning wondering where the horse is since I had a ton or two of manure dropped in the driveway yesterday. I can only imagine what would happen if 30 tons of coal showed up one day!

I'm hoping to fetch 3 tons of rice coal sometime over the summer but haven't quite figured out the details - how to get it and where to put it. Worst case is where I end up with bagged coal.

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Post Fri. Mar. 14, 2008 9:25 pm

tvb wrote:
If you have a good truck and trailer with good brakes and good tires
you will not have any problems Oh and a tarp and tie downs to cover you load
I don't think a Honda Fit qualifies even if I am able to manage 600 lbs of bagged coal at a time and driving real slow.
No not much of a coal hauler PM wood ncoal
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