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Words just can't describe how irritated it makes me to see this *censored*. But then, I've been pretty angry at the current administration for quite some time. My job at the mall got cancelled this morning so while wandering to find someplace to get coffee I noticed this billboard. I actually wanted to kick it.
Feel free to discuss.

Like Richard posted in a few earlier threads, the photographer doctored the photo to make it look more, "insidious" than it really is.

Edit: I see it now.

As an asthmatic I can tell you that this is complete & utter horseshit. Typical left-wing emotional hysteria to further their agenda. While clean air is great, it's not coal plants that cause asthma attacks ..... it's PLANTS ... you know, the green kind that grow.

I spent 2 years in Phoenix AZ breathing the brown cloud that hovered over the valley. That was the first time in my life I was ever able to leave the house without a rescue inhaler in my back pocket. I'd like to see the left explain that one ....

Should be now. I forgot about the "upload" feature of the site and tried to post "img" tags from my imageshack account.

To me it looks more like a picture of an old coke plant (the ones now are cleaner) notice most of the so called smoke is coming from below the stacks (quenching process). AZ. is dry, that helps asthma a good bit. I can't get a large & clear enough pic to read who put the poster out. Never mind I got it "The Seirra Club" they are against just about everything but trees, & they will drive their beemers to meetings to protest.

My guess would be that, even if the picture is current, a lot of the "cloud" is water vapor. Powerplants face all types of requirements regarding their stack emissions, which are monitored closely. Powerplants already operate an assortment of baghouses, precipitators, scrubbers and other equipment and processes to control their output of particulates and gasses that contribute to acid rain, smog, etc. The idea that they are indiscriminately fouling the atmosphere has been obsolete for decades. If there is any credible science, rather than fearmongering, connecting current powerplant emissions to asthma I'd like to see it.

I know there are some philosophical overlaps between the Sierra Club and factions in the administration, and if the administration is endorsing any of this stuff without real science they should answer for it, but from that poster my primary beef would be with the Sierra Club (rather than the administration, as referenced in the original post).

Mike

That's it!!! I'm getting rid of that dirty coal burning monster in my cellar!!!

But everybody in the high class Short Hills Mall wants all the bright lights.

Wood'nCoal wrote: That's it!!! I'm getting rid of that dirty coal burning monster in my cellar!!!

Just let me know when you'd like it removed. Those EFM 350's are especially dangerous. :whip:

Mike

Pacowy wrote:My guess would be that, even if the picture is current, a lot of the "cloud" is water vapor. Powerplants face all types of requirements regarding their stack emissions, which are monitored closely. Powerplants already operate an assortment of baghouses, precipitators, scrubbers and other equipment and processes to control their output of particulates and gasses that contribute to acid rain, smog, etc. The idea that they are indiscriminately fouling the atmosphere has been obsolete for decades. If there is any credible science, rather than fearmongering, connecting current powerplant emissions to asthma I'd like to see it.

I know there are some philosophical overlaps between the Sierra Club and factions in the administration, and if the administration is endorsing any of this stuff without real science they should answer for it, but from that poster my primary beef would be with the Sierra Club (rather than the administration, as referenced in the original post).

Mike

There was a note about the EPA in the fine print on the bottom of the poster. Sierra Club wants people to contact the EPA. I do agree, its probably in the mall as a tool to scare the rich yuppie idiots that live in Short Hills. Which is why I found it so infuriating. Even the kid I work with didn't seem to understand why I started complaining about it.

Dann757 wrote:But everybody in the high class Short Hills Mall wants all the bright lights.

I'm sure they'll understand if the power goes out when it's cloudy (or nighttime) and the wind isn't blowing very hard. They probably shouldn't plan to rely much on electricity anyways - electric bills will be so high that for most people its use would have to be considered carefully. The good news is they'd save on the thaw cycle on the microwave, because everything in the freezer would have spoiled, and it could be shut off, too. The bad news is that much of the industry we haven't already exported relies on cheap electricity, so a lot of people wouldn't have jobs to pay for the pricey electricity. But I guess that's supposed to be good, because it means we can get by with fewer wind turbines and PV arrays. So as long as we are prepared to get rid of lots of jobs, and the people who rely on electricity who aren't independently wealthy, we should be all set.

Mike

I'm On Fire wrote:There was a note about the EPA in the fine print on the bottom of the poster. Sierra Club wants people to contact the EPA. I do agree, its probably in the mall as a tool to scare the rich yuppie idiots that live in Short Hills. Which is why I found it so infuriating. Even the kid I work with didn't seem to understand why I started complaining about it.

Got it. Thanks for the clarification.

Mike

Pacowy wrote:

Dann757 wrote:But everybody in the high class Short Hills Mall wants all the bright lights.

I'm sure they'll understand if the power goes out when it's cloudy (or nighttime) and the wind isn't blowing very hard. They probably shouldn't plan to rely much on electricity anyways - electric bills will be so high that for most people its use would have to be considered carefully. The good news is they'd save on the thaw cycle on the microwave, because everything in the freezer would have spoiled, and it could be shut off, too. The bad news is that much of the industry we haven't already exported relies on cheap electricity, so a lot of people wouldn't have jobs to pay for the pricey electricity. But I guess that's supposed to be good, because it means we can get by with fewer wind turbines and PV arrays. So as long as we are prepared to get rid of lots of jobs, and the people who rely on electricity who aren't independently wealthy, we should be all set.

Mike

But the rich can afford those "central pack" generators that automatically kick over in the event of full power loss and it uses....it uses.....DIESEL!! Which is so much cleaner. Apparently.

Not the solution but just an opinion:
And when peoples get sick from whatever you want, the medical systems will gives you some medicines,drugs...and about 90% of it will get out of your body (from urine...)and be send in the environment, rivers, lakes, sceptic systems... and back to your drinking water. It can be done fast or take years but don't worry, it will. Some North American Study detected: antibiotics, heart medications, prozac,epilepsy medications, birth control pills, antibacterial soaps,hormones,and a lot of other chemicals in drinking water. Some say it's only traces of them and others say: how much of that mixture is dagerous?
In one sample from Montréal's waste water, they found the equivalent of 61 millions of Advil pills. In Spain, in the water of a natural parck they found cocaine,ecstasy,codeine,morphine, cannabis...
Find a good lobby to promote your idea and you can do whatever you want. Forgot, a few $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
What we read on the pubs is what they want us to read....
Now have a good glass of water and say thanks to the systems for bringing pharmaceuticals right to your Tap. They are protecting you and your family.

nortcan wrote:Not the solution but just an opinion:
And when peoples get sick from whatever you want, the medical systems will gives you some medicines,drugs...and about 90% of it will get out of your body (from urine...)and be send in the environment, rivers, lakes, sceptic systems... and back to your drinking water. It can be done fast or take years but don't worry, it will. Some North American Study detected: antibiotics, heart medications, prozac,epilepsy medications, birth control pills, antibacterial soaps,hormones,and a lot of other chemicals in drinking water. Some say it's only traces of them and others say: how much of that mixture is dagerous?
In one sample from Montréal's waste water, they found the equivalent of 61 millions of Advil pills. In Spain, in the water of a natural parck they found cocaine,ecstasy,codeine,morphine, cannabis...
Find a good lobby to promote your idea and you can do whatever you want. Forgot, a few $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
What we read on the pubs is what they want us to read....
Now have a good glass of water.

That's a very good point. I remember hearing about that a while ago. I agree, where are the special interest groups trying to limit/stop us from relieving ourselves?

And you know IOF, that's not the kind of reports they will hang up on the Malls walls. Just ask EPA or others agencies around the world if they want to do so!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ is the king of the world. You know what I mean.