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If this guy can get output higher than input, I'd imagine he's sitting on a beach in the Bahama's right now - that HE OWNS.

SMITTY wrote:If this guy can get output higher than input,...

What they call that Smitty is an eternal energy source which of course goes against the laws of physics.

Richard S. wrote:What they call that Smitty is an eternal energy source which of course goes against the laws of physics.

Reminds me of the ceramic electric heaters you see on infomercials in the middle of the night. They claim they heat more with less power. A friend of mine fell into it and tried to heat his house with two of them. Then the $450 electric bills started rolling in..

This guy should be selling perpetual motion machines, gravity wheels and generators that produce more power than they consume .... He must think we're a buncha dummies I mean REALLY????

Step right up folks! Get'em while their hot. PT Barnum said it best. There's a sucker born every minute.

Lightning wrote: Reminds me of the ceramic electric heaters you see on infomercials in the middle of the night. They claim they heat more with less power. A friend of mine fell into it and tried to heat his house with two of them. Then the $450 electric bills started rolling in..

WATT for WATT they are identical BTU output compared to any electric heater whether it's an oil filled oil heater, hair dryer or even an incandescent lightbulb. You can save money, if you have electric heat and turn the house thermostat down to 50 and just heat a single room with it you'll save. If you have coal or natural gas the savings are unlikely becsue you can heat heat 3 or 4 rooms for the same cost as keeping the one room warm.

Richard S. wrote:WATT for WATT they are identical BTU output compared to any electric heater whether it's an oil filled oil heater, hair dryer or even an incandescent lightbulb. You can save money, if you have electric heat and turn the house thermostat down to 50 and just heat a single room with it you'll save. If you have coal or natural gas the savings are unlikely becsue you can heat heat 3 or 4 rooms for the same cost as keeping the one room warm.

Oh right on.. Its just how they portray their product, putting it on pedestal, implying that it will do a better job than the $15 electric space heater at Walmart .

Yes this system does work and works really well. I have made my own similar to the this reto-fit(Cross-link Conversions). I used ridged copper pipe and a pipe former to bend the pipe(For the people that don't know what there talking about. Its a heated bender to bend ridged copper pipe). As far as BTU's go water is way different then air. I heat my house with my system and my 25x30 shop and my stove never see higher then the low setting(some times when pulling cold things into work on ill kick it up a notch for a bit). Stove is located in my shop and there is 30 feet run of under ground pipe to my house. I use a water to air coil in my furnace to heat the house and also for a heat dump if needed. If there is any thing I can help with on this topic let me know. There is a lot of talk about BTU's leave that to the pro's that work with it every day on a day to day basis.
(Heating contractor for 21 year)

With electric heat You are not making sense.

2001Sierra wrote:With electric heat You are not making sense.

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There's all you need to know. What a miracle! A brand new member to the forum, only 1 post and it just happens to be a ringing endorsment for this load of manure. What are the odds? If it were my forum, I'd boot him!

Now now we can't boot someone for being misinformed! As he said we can't talk about BTU's because we have to leave it to the pro's right? He said he's been a pro for 21 years.

Well, I was a pro for 27 years before becoming a Pastor. I also taught heating and A/C as well as thermodynamics and Boyles Gas law and such to name just a few topics. A BTU is a measurement of heat energy contained in a fuel or heat source and you can't get more out of a heating device than what is contained in the substance your going to use whether it's wood, geothermal, coal, LP Gas, Nat Gas, Butane, Propane, Methane, Solar, or nuclear. BTU's are generated by utilizing a fuel source in a manner to release said BTU's to the environment. The trick is to utilize them in the most efficient manner once you figure out how to unlock them.

These guys are stuck on a device when the discussion point is in the BTU's available in the fuel source. If one gallon of oil has x number of BTU's your not going to get more BTU's out than the fuel source contains. If one pound of pellets has y BTU's available your not going to get more BTU's out than the pellets contain. They are using the classic misdirection ploy here.

Rev. Larry

I did not go to collage but, I have a basic understanding of the thermodynamic laws and my opinion on this subject is that the original poster is either ignorant or is trying to exploit people who are ignorant.

I cannot add to the logic that has been used to argue that this retro fit cannot do what is being claimed.

I don't say it's true or not but just would like to know your impressions on this:
many peoples claim that a wall mounted heat pump (maybe the same with a central one) can produce more energy than it consume to produce heat when the outside temp. is about 5*C or above. They advertise these pumps are useful for Fall and Spring time. They can heat for a longer period but when colder the savings are not so much?????????????

it produces more heat than if the electricity were used as resistance heating instead of powering the heat pump. That's why they are used.

franco b wrote:it produces more heat than if the electricity were used as resistance heating instead of powering the heat pump. That's why they are used.

Well I'm sure someone smarter than me will chime in here but I don't think that true. Electric resistant heat is 100% efficient, heat pumps are not.