Obama Initiates Coal-Killing Policies During Great Recession

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Post Fri. Oct. 15, 2010 8:30 pm

Today the Obama Administration continued their assault on the American coal industry.http://action.sierraclub.org/site/MessageViewer?e ... d=188344.0


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Post Fri. Oct. 15, 2010 9:05 pm

What's good for the coal industry is good for America. And let's fill in the Grand Canyon while we're at it. It would make a great landfill, all the digging is already done.
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Post Fri. Oct. 15, 2010 9:27 pm

I cant stand Obama - did they find that birth certificate yet? Throw him out

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Post Fri. Oct. 15, 2010 9:36 pm

how is this helping the people and families of appilacha ?

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Post Fri. Oct. 15, 2010 9:51 pm

What the heck we don`t need clean water or air while we`re at it, if its better for The Corp. of American States its good for everyone, right. When its all said & done there can be new massive Wall-Marts with huge paved parking lots. I`m all for making mining as safe as possible so lets get rid of the miners for their own safety & all that will be needed is huge earth moving equipment & somw explosives, a couple of operators that know how to multi-task with dyno-mite & wow even more profits. Why not do the same for oil while we`re at it.
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Post Fri. Oct. 15, 2010 10:00 pm

show me where green energy is cheaper and creates more jobs than it kills . if green energy was profitable everyone would be doing it and they wouldn't need government (tax payer) subsities .

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Post Fri. Oct. 15, 2010 10:13 pm

If you want to talk about taxpayer subsities, who do you think gets more, the oil, coal or green type energies? If we would have gone after the greener energy solutions decades ago we wouldn`t be in the fix we are now but then again we wouldn`t have the big corp.s that are going to make everything all better. Heck we might even had been able to produce the units right here & export them around the world. Your right just let the rest of the world buy our country, won`t they be in for a shock when they repocess the mountains only to find they are now holes.
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Post Fri. Oct. 15, 2010 10:18 pm

how's green energy working in europe .


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Post Fri. Oct. 15, 2010 10:52 pm

Nobody on the left says a word when they pave over a forest to make room for solar panels. If your gonna be a tree hugger, don't half-ass it. Sell your car, Cut your electrical wires, bulldoze your home & live off the land -- otherwise your killing the earth! :idea:
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Post Sat. Oct. 16, 2010 6:32 am

With all the technology that is out there I am suprised that we can't find an even cleaner way to burn coal for our power generation, or an even more enviromentaly friendly way to mine it. It just amazes me that we use so much money for this green energy,We have so much coal here in the US why not invest in the infrastructure that already exists. It is not because we can't, but because we don't want to. Like I tell people follow the money and you will find the answer.

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Post Sat. Oct. 16, 2010 8:24 am

mason coal burner wrote:show me where green energy is cheaper and creates more jobs than it kills. If green energy was profitable everyone would be doing it and they wouldn't need government (tax payer) subsidies.
Green energy is not entirely about cheaper and more jobs. When I was a boy, paper companies in Maine dumped so many chemicals into our local river, that you almost could not walk across the bridge for the stench and fumes. THAT was about cheaper and more profits, though not necessarily more jobs. It was government regulation (OH, HORROR!) that put an end to the pollution.

New sources of energy seem to be cheaper than peak oil prices, but more expensive than depressed oil prices. An argument for subsidies is, whenever there is a promising new energy source being developed, the big oil companies can essentially kill it by lowering oil prices long enough to bankrupt the developers. Even if they don't do it on purpose, natural fluctuations in the world oil price accomplish the same thing. Then when oil demand increases and price skyrockets again, the needed alternatives are not available. Done properly, subsidies should be able to even out the energy supplies and price fluctuations over the long term. Think of it this way: you will pay, either way, but stability is less painful than instability.

The key to make subsidized development work, of course, is "done properly". Government and politics don't often do things efficiently. But we DO need alternative energy if only for stability, and what is the alternative to doing it via government?
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Post Sat. Oct. 16, 2010 8:33 am

- Thorium Fuel Cycle
An interesting aspect of the Thorium Fuel Cycle is the possibility of using Coal Ash as an energy source.
from: http://www.theoildrum.com/node/4971
- the average 1000 MWe power plant produces about 13 tons of thorium per year [found in the ash]
- One ton of thorium will produce nearly 1 GW of electricity for a year in an efficient thorium cycle reactor.
and the mine tailings are also rich in thorium
-"The amount of thorium present in surface mining coal waste is enormous and would provide all the power human society needs for thousands of years, without resorting to any special mining for thorium, or the use of any other form or energy recovery."

More info on thorium:
http://energyfromthorium.com/
http://sites.google.com/site/rethinkingnuclearpower/aimhigh

What we need are more solutions and less drama (from our politicians).

john

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Post Sat. Oct. 16, 2010 9:22 am

Very interesting read Patch, I can remember reading about that years ago but then it was like swept under the rug.
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Post Sat. Oct. 16, 2010 10:51 am

Patch wrote:What we need are more solutions and less drama (from our politicians).
Hear! Hear! And fewer bought politicians. Last week's New Yorker magazine had a piece about months-long Democrat-Republican efforts to set energy policy aka climate change policy, and how the Obama administration and the gulf oil spill scuttled the final product. Regardless of how you feel about the legislation, the astounding thing (to me) was the degree to which our representatives negotiated directly with large corporations and their lobbying groups for what they would permit to be included in the bill.
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Post Sat. Oct. 16, 2010 11:11 am

Doesn`t surprise me since a large part of the DOE is financed thru OPEC.
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