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Post By: Sunny Boy » Thu. Apr. 11, 2019 6:04 pm

BigBarney wrote:
Thu. Apr. 11, 2019 2:42 pm
You actually don't have to own land to harvest solar you

could live in your vehicle and stay on public roads, parks and

anywhere you could park for free and have solar panels on the

all the time . When the season changes you move on to sunnier

climates and enjoy all that is free....

There's no stopping solar only some type of work to acquire

what you need for it to be able to provide for you.

BigBarney

Sure, give up a job and be homeless living out of my car so I can use solar. :baby: And you could get in your EV and come back to visit reality once in awhile, too. :lol:

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Post By: KLook » Thu. Apr. 11, 2019 6:17 pm

That is his most delusional post yet. Fantasy world.

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Post By: Bubbalowe » Thu. Apr. 11, 2019 6:53 pm

CoalJockey wrote:
Sat. Apr. 06, 2019 8:08 am
Unless these things just appear out of thin air your argument continues to have holes shot all through it. Scrap metal is just that... scrap. No one is breaking down the doors for any of it with the likelyhood that it’s cheaper to produce new. Everyone here is well aware of the fuel production and disposal costs of coal but you provide no numbers on cost to build, operate, and decommission the solar. Talk is cheap... it takes money to buy whiskey.

All of the above are NOT free. You have an awesome ability for cherry picking whatever information tickles your own ears, never mind what it takes to make it a reality. You have been going on with this garbage all Winter long and have yet to provide proof of anything other than the link you found while Googling the latest tech news every morning while you are on the can.

I don’t work for free Sir and neither do/did you. :stfu:
Actually scrap aluminum is a core business to the industry. The US and Canada recycle over 5 million tons of aluminum annually.
Steel? 2 out of 3 tons of new steel is made from scrap. Yes, they do beat the doors down for scrap and no, it is not cheaper to make from ore. Scrap is transported by truck or rail so there is whiskey money to go around. :lol:

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Post By: CoalJockey » Thu. Apr. 11, 2019 8:17 pm

Yes Bubba that is all nice but did you pay attention to my last line that stated something about working for free?

And demand goes DOOOOWWwwwwnnn...

https://resource-recycling.com/recycling/2019/01/ ... -mrf-woes/

Seems as though aluminum is not the beauty queen these days that everyone expects it to be. Rather UN-profitable to decommission those panels when the final sale price may not be worth the sorting and hauling. Nothing is attractive about break-even, 5 million tons a year or not.

Pendulums swing wildly on scrap metal prices, another factor impossible to predict more than a year ahead.


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Post By: BigBarney » Fri. Apr. 12, 2019 5:23 pm

Tell me what the price of scrap aluminum will be in 40 years...

Consult your crystal ball....

Up about 6% year over 40 years in the past , well over the money

market rate....

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Post By: CoalJockey » Fri. Apr. 12, 2019 5:55 pm

I don’t know what it’s going to be Barney and neither do you.

My point is you can be mighty disappointed at different times if you want to hang your hat on salvage. You can always tell how good it is around these parts when everyone’s boneyard out back gets cleaned up and hauled away. When junk starts accumulating behind everyone’s shops (including my own) you know it’s not worth the fuel to haul it away.

BTW we are still patiently waiting on your costs to build, maintain, and decommission. Look in YOUR crystal ball... take your time, just don’t stare yourself into a daze.

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Post By: BigBarney » Sun. Apr. 14, 2019 4:58 pm

After generating power for 30-40 years really who cares

about salvage value , what is a coal plant worth 30-40 years

down the road.. Just like most assets they depreciate

in value to scrap after a life time is exhausted.

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Post By: CapeCoaler » Sun. Apr. 14, 2019 6:07 pm

Panels will start to degrade after 20 years...
How about talking about the power yield curve...
Most don't know about that dirty little secret...


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Post By: CapeCoaler » Sun. Apr. 14, 2019 6:09 pm

It's not about scrap value...
But the fact about rare earth metals...
Your solar farm will be a hazmat site...
Until the panels are removed...

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Post By: Sunny Boy » Mon. Apr. 15, 2019 8:52 am

CapeCoaler wrote:
Sun. Apr. 14, 2019 6:07 pm
Panels will start to degrade after 20 years...
How about talking about the power yield curve...
Most don't know about that dirty little secret...
I just looked that up. Panels degrade every year. The manufactures supposedly list the % rate. By 20 years they are typically down to mid 80% output.

But, Barney still hasn't answered my question. Who is going to clear snow off all those panels out in snow covered fields every time there is a dusting of snow or more ? And what about solar energy drop relative to latitude ? As you move further north or south away from the equator there's less solar energy hitting the earth.

Barney makes it sound like this is great idea anywhere crops grow. Even the type of crops have to take the amount of local solar radiation into account. :roll:

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Post By: BigBarney » Tue. Apr. 16, 2019 1:34 pm

Why clear the snow when snow powered nanogenerators

are coming , get power two different ways !!!

https://www.revisionenergy.com/why-go-solar/solar ... in-winter/

https://newatlas.com/snow-teng-generator/59311/

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Post By: CapeCoaler » Tue. Apr. 16, 2019 4:42 pm

The problem is that the Snow TENG produces a pretty tiny amount of electricity in its current form – it has a power density of 0.2 mW per square meter. That means you won't really be hooking that up to the grid like a solar panel, but it could make for small, self-powered weather sensors.
Might be a problem...
Do you prefer sugar-free or regular...

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