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Post by independent » Wed. Dec. 05, 2018 1:59 pm

franco b wrote:
Mon. Nov. 26, 2018 4:45 pm
For centuries CO2 has never been above the line, but many millennia ago it was far above the line.
Which line are you referring to, Franco B? The one in the below image from the website?
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If so, might want to take another look at the x-axis. It goes back 400,000 years (or 400 millenia if you prefer), and nowhere in history does the CO2 level get north of that line. Which millenia are you referring to (and where's the data?)?.

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Post by franco b » Wed. Dec. 05, 2018 3:54 pm

The data is in my head. Read many years ago. Coinciding with extinction of dinosaurs. Far beyond the chart.

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Post by k-2 » Wed. Dec. 05, 2018 9:09 pm

Coal is slowly going extinct all by itself. The best heat pumps are already very close in efficiency to burning coal for heat dollar for dollar. Gas heat is cheap,but with all the added taxes and fees the Gas Co monopoly piles on that makes coal still a good deal for the heating dollar. I also burn wood which is free for me, but i like coal for the sheer BTU content in a smaller package. Im rehabbing a house right now with 1 coal stoker and 2 wood stoves. No drywall or insulation yet so i need the massive BTUs .

 
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Post by franpipeman » Mon. Dec. 10, 2018 6:46 pm

read how the USA is handing leadership to the peoples republic of China. They will take the challenge on.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/10/opinion/china- ... hange.html

 
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Post by KLook » Mon. Dec. 10, 2018 7:24 pm

Dream on, and as they emit more then anyone, if they do fine. Next, India. When we see the globe trying to curb emissions, then we can also. But to ask us to foot the bill and kill our economy......nah.

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Post by franpipeman » Tue. Dec. 11, 2018 5:22 pm

The thought is that being part of the cure could enhance the economy.Much like the space industry defense industry aeronautical or any other massive challenge .

 
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Post by scalabro » Tue. Dec. 11, 2018 6:11 pm

A better way to enhance the economy is to build more petroleum refineries and drill baby drill!

 
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Post by KLook » Tue. Dec. 11, 2018 8:06 pm

The thought is that being part of the cure could enhance the economy


WHO thought that? It has killed every country that has banked on green jobs.....it is a scam. You cant translate success in the fields of science that were required to solve problems in going to the moon and adapted to the normal world in respect to other fields. It would be nice if the world was linear and money in equaled knowledge out....I have come to think the "advances" are doled out to maximize profits as everyone has to get the newest latest greatest thing.....like phones for example. And computers.

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Post by Bubbalowe » Wed. Dec. 12, 2018 1:19 pm

scalabro wrote:
Tue. Dec. 11, 2018 6:11 pm
A better way to enhance the economy is to build more petroleum refineries and drill baby drill!
Do explain.

 
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Post by Sunny Boy » Wed. Dec. 12, 2018 5:05 pm

I can explain.

Our oil supply has for a long time not been limited by the amount of barrels in the ground, or the wells drilled. We have well over hundred years worth of oil and gas in the ground and lots of wells already drilled and capped waiting. For decades the lack of refinery and storage capacity has been the limiting factor. The government has made building new refineries and storage facilities a ridiculously long and expensive process.

Over 30 years ago, one of my customers - then owner of the largest fuel oil business on Long Island and a former President of the Oil Heat Institute of America, warned that we were headed for high oil prices because of what the EPA regs were doing to restrictions on the permitting process for new refineries and forcing the elimination of storage facilities because of making them too restrictively expensive to maintain, much less have new ones built.

Because energy is a big cost to industry, anytime energy prices drop, businesses typically do better.

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Post by scalabro » Wed. Dec. 12, 2018 7:46 pm

Bubbalowe wrote:
Wed. Dec. 12, 2018 1:19 pm
Do explain.
What Paul said... Hahahahahahaha

 
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Post by KLook » Wed. Dec. 12, 2018 8:59 pm

I can attest to that as well as I worked in the W Texas oil patch 40 years ago......I saw many wells that would produce a lot of oil with "chokes" in them to limit production. Why sell at less then you want? To be a great American? To help the Yankee's out with winter oil costs? It is a commodity and some say a finite one.....They want to make all they can....

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Post by Bubbalowe » Wed. Dec. 12, 2018 9:53 pm

After all the corporate mergers there ended up less than 1/2 the refineries of the 80's, yet production is higher now. Pretty sure Exxon/ Mobil could afford a couple new refineries if that's all it takes to "enhance" profits. They should read the coal forum :lol:

 
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Post by coaledsweat » Wed. Dec. 12, 2018 11:12 pm

There is no shortage of finished product. They don't need a refinery.

 
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Post by KLook » Thu. Dec. 13, 2018 7:37 pm

There is no shortage of finished product. They don't need a refinery.

Exactly, and there is no shortage of raw supply either....

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