"We Can Buy New Renewables Cheaper Than Existing Fossil Fuels"

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Post By: Richard S. » Fri. Sep. 14, 2018 9:59 pm

Barney, do you ever read past the headline?
The tax benefits are supportive to these economics, and we captured the tax benefits for our customers
Signed the BS slayer.


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Post By: CapeCoaler » Sun. Sep. 16, 2018 2:14 am

National Grid is the utility...
MA happens to be one of there areas...
RI and NY also have National Grid as a utility...
https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=KfSdW_ ... GQ-Z0lzlRs

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Post By: BigBarney » Tue. Oct. 02, 2018 3:45 pm

National Grid is a utility that bought out Niagara Mohawk Power

Corp. ,they serve a densely populated area of 3+ million customers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Grid_plc

They operate in 2 ISO's NE ISO & PJM ISO .

Companies must take advantage of any tax benefits available to them,

they are responsible to the owner/shareholders to get the most profit

in a free society , just as individuals do the same for their family .

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Post By: BigBarney » Tue. Oct. 02, 2018 4:04 pm

August electric rates;;; Just got the September Rates...


del on peak $0.06026 7am-11pm------------ Sept $0.06026

del off peak $0.009339 11pm-7am ----------- Sept $ 0.009339

supply on peak $0.03873 ------ ----- ----- Sept $ 0.05771

supply off peak $0.02555---------- ---- Sept $0.02585

supply super peak $0.1381 Jun-Aug 2pm -6pm --------- Sept $0.08138 ---- $0.16 on bill for 2KWHr

So $0.09899 Peak & $ 0.034889 Off Peak + $20.36 Customer fee --------- So $0.11797 O & $0.035189

Plus all the fees minus the credits ... National Grid RateSept
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Post By: warminmn » Tue. Oct. 02, 2018 6:54 pm

you have awful cheap rates. Hard to compare them with most people nationwide.

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Post By: Sunny Boy » Thu. Oct. 04, 2018 10:16 am

warminmn wrote:
Tue. Oct. 02, 2018 6:54 pm
you have awful cheap rates. Hard to compare them with most people nationwide.
Especially areas like here that no longer offer off-peak rates, because of the already low rates demand has gone up from businesses that use a lot of electricity moving here and more homes have switched over to electric heat.

Paul

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Post By: warminmn » Thu. Oct. 04, 2018 11:08 am

Sunny Boy wrote:
Thu. Oct. 04, 2018 10:16 am
Especially areas like here that no longer offer off-peak rates, because of the already low rates demand has gone up from businesses that use a lot of electricity moving here and more homes have switched over to electric heat.

Paul
Yep, I agree. My bill is $80/month if I use 300KW now including the monthly fee. Im betting everyones will go up a lot in the near future when NG spikes in cost. Im unsure how BB's provider can be so cheap.


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Post By: NoSmoke » Fri. Oct. 05, 2018 6:13 am

The entire electric grid billing system is in a "downward spiral" and no one knows what to do about it.

Think about it, as the price of electricity goes up due to production costs, people spend more money on energy saving products. Because the price of electricity is based upon a pay-per-KW-used basis, it means there is less money being generated. Because the cost to maintain powerlines, production facilities, lines, salaries, etc all goes up, and people are consuming less electricity overall...it is a serious issue. Then here in Maine anyway, the PUC (Public Utilities Commission) steps in and increases the rates for a KW of electricity.

So what happens?

The cycle starts all over again! People are motivated to spend money on alternative electricity or energy efficient systems and so it goes...

How do we get off this crazy merry-go-round?

Maine is considering now of going to a flat fee so that everyone that has access to power from the grid pays the same price. That has its own set of problems, but unless a person is 100% off-grid, then really what can we do? That unto itself is a lifestyle and not really a choice and deserves its own thread that I will not go into now.

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Post By: NoSmoke » Fri. Oct. 05, 2018 6:17 am

Maine's biggest power company is CMP and is owned by the same company that owns most of the Eastern Side of the United States when you trace it back to its parent company...in Spain.

Everyone here hates CMP, and I never realized it until they did a poll on TV and they got an 87% unfavorable rating. They recently upgraded to smart meters and botched the job and now are being sued in a Class Action Lawsuit, something the Maine Supreme Court allowed.

Now CMP is on TV ads apologizing for their misconduct. When was the last time you saw a corporation in 2018 publicly apologize for their knowing and illegal misdealing's with the public! No wonder they have an 87% hatred rate.

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Post By: NoSmoke » Fri. Oct. 05, 2018 6:30 am

So how bad is electricity in Maine, keeping in mind we pay some of the highest rates in the country, yet our biggest state export in terms of dollars (not physical product) is actually electricity from all the boilers, dams, and biomass plants we have?

Bad!

I try not to be a person who gets wrapped up in conspiracy, but in this case it is blatant. In 1999 our Governor at the time signed into law degregulating electricity in Maine, then proceeded to get on the board for a local wind power company when he termed out as governor. He did that for years until he decided to run for senator. In the meantime, he put his son on the board for the PUC just at the same time they could have voted to opt out of the New England Power Grid (some 16 cents a KW) and go with the New Brunswick Power Grid at 7 cents a KW. They had just renewed a nuclear power plant and had excess power they needed to get rid of. A grid cannot store electricity after all.

Two weeks after the PUC of Maine voted not to join New Brunswick, the Senator's son quit the PUC board and was on the board of directors to take the place of his father since that would be considered conflict of interest as a senator. As was, quitting the PUC after such a deciding vote was considered conflict of interest, and the Maine Attorney General's Office got involved, but later dropped the charges against the son.

Today that still stands. He is on the board of directors and windmills are everywhere in Maine.

As for the father, Senator Angus king, guess who was the deciding vote in the first denial of the Keystone Pipeline, oil that would have put a damper in the elaborate scheme set up in 1999 to flood Maine with expensive wind power?

It is utter disgusting, yet most Mainer's have no clue what derives their electricity and how they have been fleeced since 1999. Considering the law of supply and demand, we should be paying the least amount for electricity, and could, if only we voted in a law we had in effect up until the 1930's: it would be illegal to send electricity outside of Maine borders. As I said, it is our largest export in terms of dollars!

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Post By: KLook » Fri. Oct. 05, 2018 4:43 pm

Thank you NoSmoke. Simply thank you.....

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Post By: BigBarney » Fri. Nov. 02, 2018 4:58 pm

The future of power .... Long Term...

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/environment/2 ... 369539002/

https://www.elp.com/articles/2018/09/indiana-elec ... power.html

The costs of transmission is a major part of electric bills and has to dealt with

higher rates , but the generation side has for many years been on the decline.

Maine has a small spread out population that takes a lot of infrastructure and

maintenance to supply their customers.

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Post By: lsayre » Fri. Nov. 02, 2018 5:49 pm

Barney, if you can buy renewables for less than the cost of conventional energy, then why are you heating you home with coal?

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Post By: NoSmoke » Sat. Nov. 03, 2018 6:25 am

To me there is no way this is possible.

The amount of energy in a given ton of coal is so high, and the availability of coal in this country is so great, and the means of which to convert that energy into electricity is so simple and efficient; that coal has an indefinite future in our feeding of the grid.

North Dakota alone has enough coal to power our grid for 600 years. Wyoming 400 years...and that is with known, easy to access deposits.


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