Not Enough Heat...

Modern and vintage hand fired coal stove are similar to a wood stove and in some cases can burn either. They need to be regulated and fed by hand usually every 12 to 24 hours depending on your usage. They require no power to operate making them ideal for rural settings with long power outages.
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Poconoeagle
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Post Tue. Dec. 23, 2008 12:01 pm

Glad your warming up !
"Do it Right the First Time" dont leave it for the next guy, as YOU may be the Next guy!!

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Post Tue. Dec. 23, 2008 12:05 pm

You are headed in the correct direction.
Blue flames ie 'The Ladies' are a good sign.
Let the stove settle in on 50% open air.
You will be running it at 25-30% open air normally.
I am not an engineer, train or otherwise!
I stay at a Holiday Inn at least once a year!
Most of all I do have common sense and a practical application of logic.
Oh, add humor, on the dry side, along with a wee bit 'o sarcasm.

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Post Tue. Dec. 23, 2008 12:21 pm

CapeCoaler wrote:You will be running it at 25-30% open air normally.


REALLY?!?! I'm skeptical but, I'll trust ya......you guys haven't led me astray yet!

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Post Tue. Dec. 23, 2008 12:24 pm

Poconoeagle wrote:Glad your warming up !


Me too! I was thinking this morning that perhaps I was going to end up with an oversized (and VERY heavy) paperweight in the middle of the living room! Oh I was frustrated. I was SO looking forward to the nice, even heat that everyone here talks about and to NOT have it was aggrivating. I figured it was operator error, just couldn't figure out what it was that I was doing wrong. Little did I know that less is more. :)

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Post Tue. Dec. 23, 2008 12:36 pm

Yeppers! sounds like your on the right track now. Enjoy! p.s. make sure the co detector is connected and workin.
just cause.... :idea:
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Post Tue. Dec. 23, 2008 1:15 pm

Poconoeagle wrote:Yeppers! sounds like your on the right track now. Enjoy! p.s. make sure the co detector is connected and workin.
just cause.... :idea:


Yep, it's crankin' heat now! Yay! You guys are the best!!! :D

I had one CO detector and bought another (to put in the bedroom hallway) - dog HATES the sound so, I'm sure I'll know if it goes off. Thanks for the reminder though!

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Post Tue. Dec. 23, 2008 2:40 pm

CapeCoaler wrote:
You will be running it at 25-30% open air normally.



:notworthy: Okay, I'm a believer! Not that I ever really doubted any of you but, it didn't make intuitive sense to me. There is something to be said for blind faith. :) And, having to trade my fleece turtleneck for a short-sleeved shirt is proof that the heat output in here has definitely changed!

Thank you all for saving me from my frustration!

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Post Sun. Dec. 28, 2008 10:33 pm

Wow Rebecca, your story sounds identical to mine, straight down to the fan blowing on the stove! I have already switched to nut coal, and I guess I will nervously try the 50% open next. My roomate gave up on the coal, and bought a cord of wood for the little efel stove. (burns both) But wood wins for heat output right now. I just gotta show him up...

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Post Sun. Dec. 28, 2008 11:07 pm

UrbanRally wrote:Wow Rebecca, your story sounds identical to mine, straight down to the fan blowing on the stove! I have already switched to nut coal, and I guess I will nervously try the 50% open next. My roomate gave up on the coal, and bought a cord of wood for the little efel stove. (burns both) But wood wins for heat output right now. I just gotta show him up...


I hope that you have the same success that I did as well! Ever since I decreased the air intake to 50% it has been 70 in the house! I've even dared to decrease it lower with the warmer temps we've had around here in the last few days. Now, mind you, I did kill the fire again yesterday and had to start from scratch again. But, I believe that that was an ash/shaking issue - I don't think that I got the fire excited enough before I shook it and I smothered it when I shook it. I also got a stove thermometer and it's been staying right around 200 - can hardly imagine what the temp would go to if the stove gets up to 400!

I wish you success - I am a firm believer in the experts here - listen to what they say, they know what they're talking about!

~Rebecca

PS - Have you checked your draft?? I thought I didn't have enough draft and it turned out that I had close to too much draft, that knowledge helped too.

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Post Tue. Dec. 30, 2008 9:25 am

Sounds like you are getting the hang of it... I had the same issues when I was getting started with the the Saey.

I set my damper and intake for aggressive flames when starting it up, otherwise I try to maintain a lazy, loping flame... WHEN there is a flame at all. Basically enough air to keep it going with a light draft. I am not using a manometer but I have learned that a slow burn puts out more heat.

My house is open on the first floor and closed rooms on the second. This week I peaked at 82 degrees downstairs and 69 upstairs... which is frankly TOO HOT (downstairs). That is at 50% open. I had to open the baro up to reduce the heat. The lesson I'm learning is that the stove works best between when it is between 20f-40f outside. When it's hotter out I get little draft and it over heats. When it is colder out I have trouble dialing the draft down and the heat escapes.

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Post Tue. Dec. 30, 2008 7:27 pm

JoshuaDOC wrote:Sounds like you are getting the hang of it... I had the same issues when I was getting started with the the Saey.

I set my damper and intake for aggressive flames when starting it up, otherwise I try to maintain a lazy, loping flame... WHEN there is a flame at all. Basically enough air to keep it going with a light draft. I am not using a manometer but I have learned that a slow burn puts out more heat.

My house is open on the first floor and closed rooms on the second. This week I peaked at 82 degrees downstairs and 69 upstairs... which is frankly TOO HOT (downstairs). That is at 50% open. I had to open the baro up to reduce the heat. The lesson I'm learning is that the stove works best between when it is between 20f-40f outside. When it's hotter out I get little draft and it over heats. When it is colder out I have trouble dialing the draft down and the heat escapes.


Wow Josh, you're getting a LOT more heat out of yours than I am! Not that I'd want the house at 82! I'd be opening windows at that temp. :) My living room (room with stove) got to 74 last night but that is with the stove only at 250. I haven't seen temps much higher on the stove body itself. My house is all one floor with half of it being an open floorplan, 10' hallway to two bedrooms so, the stove shouldn't have any trouble heating it since it's half the SQ footage that the stove is rated for.

So, not sure what I'm doing wrong but your 92 is certainly throwing more heat than mine. But, I can't complain too much at this point 'cause the house is warm enough and the boiler isn't kicking on! :)

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Post Tue. Dec. 30, 2008 8:23 pm

You might want to play with the baro damper a bit. Remember the easier it opens, the more air is being pulled from the room and the less air being pulled through the coal bed. It's meant to prevent overheating on windy days. Not sure about your stove but if I run with my ash door open (unlimited air coming under and then up through the bed), my bed gets roaring. I burn nut and I started a post re: pea vs nut. The consensus seemed to be that pea burns more steady but nut burns longer and hotter. Another thing I've noticed is that after a few weeks of an uninterupted burn, the ash builds up a little despite shaking and using a poker helps get the ash buildup to fall through the grates better. The more air passing through the bed the hotter the fire. Seems to me you should be able to get that stove upt o 400 deg without a problem.

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Post Tue. Dec. 30, 2008 8:32 pm

gerard wrote:You might want to play with the baro damper a bit. Remember the easier it opens, the more air is being pulled from the room and the less air being pulled through the coal bed. It's meant to prevent overheating on windy days. Not sure about your stove but if I run with my ash door open (unlimited air coming under and then up through the bed), my bed gets roaring. I burn nut and I started a post re: pea vs nut. The consensus seemed to be that pea burns more steady but nut burns longer and hotter. Another thing I've noticed is that after a few weeks of an uninterupted burn, the ash builds up a little despite shaking and using a poker helps get the ash buildup to fall through the grates better. The more air passing through the bed the hotter the fire. Seems to me you should be able to get that stove upt o 400 deg without a problem.


Thanks for the thought Gerard, my baro seems to be keeping the draft very consistently in the middle range for the stove (checked with manometer) so, I don't think that that is my problem. And, I do consistently poke through the ash/coal bed daily so, I don't think that that is my problem either - I always make certain that I can see a red glow in the ash drawer each time I either shake or poke. I have 3 ton of pea in my coal bin so, for now, that's what I'm going to be burning. :) Thanks for your suggestions.

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Post Tue. Dec. 30, 2008 8:51 pm

Pea coal has a greater resistance to airflow, it packs tighter so less air gets past.
Nut lets more air into the coalbed with the same draft conditions so will burn quicker releasing more heat and Stove size burns even faster.
250* sounds good for a body temp if it is keeping the house at a temp that suits you!
My parents Hitzer 503 never gets past 325* and they heat 2000 sq/ft!
If it gets too cold in the house and the stove will not get hotter than 350*-400* switch to some Nut size.
Just start loading Nut size, no need to shut down the stove it will eventually be the majority of the bed in 6-8 hours.
Keep a few bags 10-12 of Blaschak Coal for when you need to crank the heat.
When you need to slow it down start adding Pea on top.
I am not an engineer, train or otherwise!
I stay at a Holiday Inn at least once a year!
Most of all I do have common sense and a practical application of logic.
Oh, add humor, on the dry side, along with a wee bit 'o sarcasm.

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Post Wed. Dec. 31, 2008 9:11 pm

Well, it seems I jinxed myself - I've been fighting with the stove all day to even get it to hit 150 - definitely NOT warm enough to compete with the single digit windchills outside. I've got glowing coals and some blue ladies dancing but no heat in the body of the stove. I've tried cutting the air intake down to about 1/4 and the thermometer didn't move so, I took it back up to 50%. I know, I know, I need to get some nut coal. But, until I'm able to do so I seem to be burning coal with no return when it really counts - LP boiler has been cycling on all day to keep the house at 62. Sigh.

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