Hitzer 354 or 983

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Post by Heirloom farmer » Tue. Mar. 07, 2023 9:49 am

I'm replacing my 40-year-plus-old hand-fed stove after the heating season is over and have been watching for a Hitzer 354 double door to pop up for sale.
I've been helping my neighbor since before Christmas after he had knee rsurgery, and he heats his whole house 2200 hundred feet with a
Hitzer 354.
Right now the stove has been burning without being touched for over 76 hours, besides a minor shaking early Sunday morning. I swear I believe this stove would idle on low for a week.



I've really had my mind set to try and find a good used 354 like his, but for the price, I can get the 983; that's hard to pass on.
I guess im worried were the 983 isn't an actual freestanding stove like the 354; it'll not heat my house the way the 354 would. My old stove I have now can actually be used as an insert or, like I have it set up with the pedestal kit, and it heats my 2000 square feet home fine. Its firebox is like 16×18 compared to what I've read, 20×20 for the 983. The 983 fireboxes are also bigger than the 354.
I usually burn around three tons of coal -two ns of a very high-quality bituminous coal and one ton of anthracite. The anthracite I get comes from my sister and brother-in-law. They live in Sullivan co, Pa. They come in for Christmas every year and bring me 50 40lb sacks for a Christmas present. I get coal for Christmas !!

 
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Post by Heirloom farmer » Tue. Mar. 07, 2023 10:04 am

Heirloom farmer wrote:
Tue. Mar. 07, 2023 9:49 am
I'm replacing my 40-year-plus-old hand-fed stove after the heating season is over and have been watching for a Hitzer 354 double door to pop up for sale.
I've been helping my neighbor since before Christmas after he had knee rsurgery, and he heats his whole house 2200 hundred feet with a
Hitzer 354.
Right now the stove has been burning without being touched for over 76 hours, besides a minor shaking early Sunday morning. I swear I believe this stove would idle on low for a week.



I've really had my mind set to try and find a good used 354 like his, but for the price, I can get the 983; that's hard to pass on.
I guess im worried were the 983 isn't an actual freestanding stove like the 354; it'll not heat my house the way the 354 would. My old stove I have now can actually be used as an insert or, like I have it set up with the pedestal kit, and it heats my 2000 square feet home fine. Its firebox is like 16×18 compared to what I've read, 20×20 for the 983. The 983 fireboxes are also bigger than the 354.
I usually burn around three tons of coal -two ns of a very high-quality bituminous coal and one ton of anthracite. The anthracite I get comes from my sister and brother-in-law. They live in Sullivan co, Pa. They come in for Christmas every year and bring me 50 40lb sacks for a Christmas present. I get coal for Christmas !!
for some reason it didn't post everything I asked. I'm trying to figure out how to delete the post and start over

 
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Post by waytomany?s » Tue. Mar. 07, 2023 11:51 am

Heirloom farmer wrote:
Tue. Mar. 07, 2023 10:04 am
for some reason it didn't post everything I asked. I'm trying to figure out how to delete the post and start over
Don't worry. It happens. Just do another post.

 
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Post by davidmcbeth3 » Tue. Mar. 07, 2023 4:39 pm

Both those stoves are rated for 100K BTU, likely both would do the job for 2K sq ft home.

I have a 2400 sq ft and heat it with the 80K BTU 503 fireplace insert.

The 983 is the other fireplace insert. I did consider this one or another similar model when I decided upon the 503. The winning factor being the hopper. The 503 likely needs more attention during the coldest days but it has heated to home 99% of time (extra extra cold days limit the inside air to 70-72F where I normally like it 72-74F..so occasionally if I don't service frequently, every 3-4 hrs during coldest days, the lowering of the fire due to refilling 1/2 of the coal v. 1/4 of the firebox's coal volume it can lower the temp 2F).

The 354 is likely a better efficient stove - a non-fireplace insert.

The insert does not take up floor space, a positive. The insert does not have a shaking handle that is attached to the stove and the removable handle needs replacement from wear about every 3-4 seasons as well as the grates due to handle wear. (and shaker related parts needs over time is unknown to me for the non-insert as far as first hand experience)

The non-insert would have easier maintenance/repair if needed (thinking of the exhaust piping mostly-my 503 has had same flexible SS pipe since install 12 yrs ago). And shaking likely does not require a kneel down. Its not an issue for me but some people might be an issue.

Cost of install ? 983 might be more $$ . Maybe not.

If the floor space needed for the non-insert was not a concern or you use the fireplace for other uses, the 354 is what I would choose. In my house, the floor space was why I considered inserts.

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Post by Lightning » Tue. Mar. 07, 2023 5:30 pm

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Post by oliver power » Tue. Mar. 07, 2023 8:31 pm

Heirloom farmer wrote:
Tue. Mar. 07, 2023 9:49 am
I'm replacing my 40-year-plus-old hand-fed stove after the heating season is over and have been watching for a Hitzer 354 double door to pop up for sale.
I've been helping my neighbor since before Christmas after he had knee rsurgery, and he heats his whole house 2200 hundred feet with a
Hitzer 354.
Right now the stove has been burning without being touched for over 76 hours, besides a minor shaking early Sunday morning. I swear I believe this stove would idle on low for a week.



I've really had my mind set to try and find a good used 354 like his, but for the price, I can get the 983; that's hard to pass on.
I guess im worried were the 983 isn't an actual freestanding stove like the 354; it'll not heat my house the way the 354 would. My old stove I have now can actually be used as an insert or, like I have it set up with the pedestal kit, and it heats my 2000 square feet home fine. Its firebox is like 16×18 compared to what I've read, 20×20 for the 983. The 983 fireboxes are also bigger than the 354.
I usually burn around three tons of coal -two ns of a very high-quality bituminous coal and one ton of anthracite. The anthracite I get comes from my sister and brother-in-law. They live in Sullivan co, Pa. They come in for Christmas every year and bring me 50 40lb sacks for a Christmas present. I get coal for Christmas !!
That's one way to get your coal. I guess it pays not to be good :lol:

I'm not familiar with the 983. But the 354 sounds like a real work horse.

 
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Post by Hoytman » Tue. Mar. 07, 2023 10:25 pm

The 983 can be used as in insert or freestanding when ordered with legs. As far as I know, the 983, as well as the 354, are both still available with double doors with air spinners.

In fact, I picked up a ton of coal at Hitzer back in the fall and seen a brand new 354 like mine with double doors, vent d ash pan door and two ash lips … for ash door and loading doors.


A 354 burning anthracite for 76 hours heating 2200 sq ft is no slouch.

I assume that is loading once over that time period…a full load 110-120lbs of coal stacked higher than the brick retainer and shaken at least once daily over that 76 hours until time to reload?

 
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Post by leward » Fri. Mar. 10, 2023 7:26 pm

Just keep an eye on marketplace, we picked ours up (double door) for $400 in JUly.
There was another one in Corning for $200 in the fall

 
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Post by Toddburn » Fri. Mar. 10, 2023 8:13 pm

Can’t go wrong with Hitzer products. I have the 983 it’s a heating beast. Like Hoytman said you can get legs to make it free standing. I use mine as a insert and couldn’t be happier with the heat output, long burn times, and coal consumption. Well built tank!

 
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Post by gumptruck » Fri. Mar. 24, 2023 4:09 pm

Todd how much coal u use a day


 
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Post by Toddburn » Fri. Mar. 24, 2023 9:19 pm

gumptruck wrote:
Fri. Mar. 24, 2023 4:09 pm
Todd how much coal u use a day
2 pails in the cold weather and 1 to 1 1/2 in the warmer weather. I use nut coal with one feed scoop of pea coal mixed in per pail.

 
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Post by gumptruck » Tue. Oct. 24, 2023 12:08 pm

Todd how do u move heat around to all parts of your home. how big is home

 
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Post by Hoytman » Tue. Oct. 24, 2023 4:31 pm

What size pail and what size scoop?

 
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Post by Toddburn » Tue. Oct. 24, 2023 6:29 pm

Gump my house is around 1600sq ft split level ranch the stove is in the basement. My staircase is wide open with no walls around it. The heat rises real well. I do keep the ceiling fans on low to keep air moving. Even in the rooms far away it’s still warm. Hoytman regular size coal pails and a 4 qt feed scoop.

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