HOLY CRAP IT's DONE!!! and No One Got Killed or Maimed!!

Modern and vintage hand fired coal stove are similar to a wood stove and in some cases can burn either. They need to be regulated and fed by hand usually every 12 to 24 hours depending on your usage. They require no power to operate making them ideal for rural settings with long power outages.
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Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert
Location: Stillwater, New Jersey

Post Sun. Aug. 24, 2008 1:02 pm

Everyone's in a panic because of the high cost of oil. I see lots of woodpiles around here as well. Their all overlooking the best source of heat!
Heating a circa 1832 farmhouse with a Harman Magnafire Mark I & a 1959 EFM 350 (heating DHW).
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - (custom built by Jim Dorsey, Taunton MA - RIP 4/18/13)
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III (SOLD!)
Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler
Location: West-Central Mass

Post Mon. Aug. 19, 2013 10:41 pm

Welp, almost 5 years to the day later, and I must dig this one out of the dusty (with coal ash) NEPACrossroads archives buried deep within the dark recesses of the internet. :D

I *FINALLY* got my stoker boiler down the basement! YEAH! :band: I was a man on a mission yesterday. I had got up with the plan to move all my coal into the basement ... but then I started thinking ... where the hell is the boiler going to go ... and how the hell am I going to maneuver it around here with a basement full of coal bags?? At that moment I decided the boiler is going down those stairs NOW - controlled, or out of control!

This stoker was given to me by our recently lost forum member Jim D. last year - God rest his soul. A very generous man indeed. When I told him I had zero cash, he said "Don't worry about that - can you sell some stoves for me?" Hopefully I was able to move a few more for him than the ones he told me about. THANK YOU JIM OL' BUDDY!! It was one of the ones he designed and built - may have been a prototype. I will try to do him justice by doing a good install. We'll remember him as his boiler heats our home in the years ahead. God Bless him!



Same deal with this one, only this time it went MUCH easier. 2nd time's a charm? This time I ripped a sheet of plywood in half, and nailed it to the stairs with 14 nails. VOILA! Instant ramp. The setup was exactly the same -- ATV outside (only this time I removed both the front door and basement door), running winch line (blue synthetic instead of steel this time) thru house to snatch block, and 120° or so to the handle of the 2-wheeler. Only difference was I left some excess length on the strap used for the snatch block-to-stud connection, which made the unit want to steer toward my railing and off the edge of the stairs. We caught it in time, and pushed the snatch block away from us with our hands, which then guided the unit straight to the bottom of the stairs! SWEET!! Hard part is done. Took a fraction of the time it took to get the Mark III down there, as there was no prying and swearing at every step. Just one solid motion downward. I also had help from my neighbor's 250 lb. nephew - he manhandled that thing like it was a box of Cheerios! :funny: Even still I was covered in sweat by the time this thing got down the stairs. Getting it positioned in that narrow stairwell was still a challenge no matter how much help I had!

Now for the plumbing part. I'm a bit rusty - can't remember how the hell they come up with the strange sizes for NPT. I recall measuring one ... but the measurement I got was way off from what it was called. Guess I'll get stuck making a few trips to the store ...

Also my oil boiler is now leaking like a sieve. Now I think I know the reason for it sucking down oil this summer for DHW. I'm already under 1/2 tank .. and I filled up in March!! :shock:

Anyway ... here's some pics!
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neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. ...Such laws make things worse
for the assaulted and better for the assailants, they serve rather to
encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with
greater confidence than an armed man."

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Crimes and Punishment."

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Coal Size/Type: Rice from Schuylkill County
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Post Tue. Aug. 20, 2013 1:26 am

Good work SMITTY, I always said "if we can put a man on the moon SMITTY can put a boiler in his basement"

When I would have to make deliveries to places without loading docks and have a large window or door unit every now and then they would ask "how will you get that off of there?" I always said that getting it off was easy, getting it off in one piece was a bit more complicated. You got it down in one piece so you did good. As for plumbing, if you are going to use cast fittings buy American at a local supply house. Cost difference is minimal and quality difference is huge. That is my tip of the day, now I shall enjoy a nice cold "Blithering Idiot" :cheers: and put it on your tab. :)
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Coal Size/Type: Lehigh Rice
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy
Location: Chazy, NY

Post Tue. Aug. 20, 2013 5:15 am

Nice job Smitty. Getting those boilers into the cellar is at least half of the battle. Are you taking the oil boiler out of service?

Buy USA-made fittings, and get some "GRRIP" pipe dope. Three wraps of teflon tape + GRIPP = no leaks.

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Post Tue. Aug. 20, 2013 7:52 am

Nice Smit! Im sorry I never got a chance to know Jim (what happened? what did he manufacture/design?).

Looks like that Harmons been taking a beating with the moisture down their! I used a paint product (its more like a cement/paint/plastics product called DryLoc), Just grab a big ole bucket of hydraulic cement and trowel in any holes/loose mortar, then take a big wide floor brush and start going nuts slopping it on the stone and in the joints! This stuff comes in white, beige, grey and it will not only seal everything and takes hydraulic pressure but it will brighten the whole basement so its not dark and scary looking anymore! not more than one day effort total will save years on your equipment and maintenance and will prevent future repointing plus it will look fantastic!

Now its time to remove the oil burner :cry: :lol:

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Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Ford, Jensen, NYer, Van Wert,
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Coal Size/Type: Barley, Buck, Rice ,Nut, Stove
Other Heating: Oil HWBB
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Post Tue. Aug. 20, 2013 8:25 am

Smitty, DON'T forget to get that boiler up off the floor on some 4*8*16" solid blocks. If headroom is tight, that may be an issue, however don not let the base contact the floor directly. Any piping questions.....just post em.

Is that the 170K unit?

No lost skin.....no emergency room trips....no back surgery required.......YOU DONE GOOD!!!! :shock: :x :D :idea: :!:
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Post Tue. Aug. 20, 2013 10:51 am

What Doug said John! :clap: toothy
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Coal Size/Type: Rice
Other Heating: Buderus Oil Boiler 3115-34
Stove/Furnace Model: Keystoker 90 Chimney Vent
Location: Wynantskill NY, 10 miles from Albany

Post Tue. Aug. 20, 2013 10:38 pm

The fun never ends :!: :!: Great job, never give up, and don't ever think we can't do better. We all evolve, we can just hope we live long enough to benefit from what we have learned. I must admit this site has made the learning curve a lot shorter.

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Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - (custom built by Jim Dorsey, Taunton MA - RIP 4/18/13)
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III (SOLD!)
Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler
Location: West-Central Mass

Post Fri. Aug. 23, 2013 7:12 pm

Thank you sirs! 8-)
gaw wrote: ...... I always said "if we can put a man on the moon SMITTY can put a boiler in his basement"
:lol: :up:
Rob R. wrote: ..... Are you taking the oil boiler out of service? .....
No - it'll be there as a backup just in case. Thing's leaking like a sieve though. Looks to be around the factory DHW coil that hasn't been used since '05. Will be breaking some bolts off on that job I can see ... :|
dcrane wrote:Nice Smit! Im sorry I never got a chance to know Jim (what happened? what did he manufacture/design?).

Looks like that Harmons been taking a beating with the moisture down their! I used a paint product (its more like a cement/paint/plastics product called DryLoc), Just grab a big ole bucket of hydraulic cement and trowel in any holes/loose mortar, then take a big wide floor brush and start going nuts slopping it on the stone and in the joints! This stuff comes in white, beige, grey and it will not only seal everything and takes hydraulic pressure but it will brighten the whole basement so its not dark and scary looking anymore! not more than one day effort total will save years on your equipment and maintenance and will prevent future repointing plus it will look fantastic!

Now its time to remove the oil burner ...

Check out Jim's work here: http://www.coaljack.com/home/?page_id=50 He designed them & family members built them with his guidance on the design aspect. Has some good units. Not sure what's been going on there since - don't know if they're even building them anymore.

As far as waterproofing that basement, I'd need no less than 400,000 man hours & an unlimited budget. So basically ... not happening in my lifetime! lol! Oil burner is staying as a backup. Once something is installed it would be foolish to remove it. 30 years down the road, coal could be unobtainable due to the militant environmental framework this administration has laid down .. and oil "could" be cheap - never know what kinds of curves this life will throw your way. Isn't costing me anything to leave it down there - just oil if I run it. Never know what the future brings ... so it stays. Could always burn used oil in a pinch with some work. Gotta do what you gotta do to survive, ya know.
whistlenut wrote:Smitty, DON'T forget to get that boiler up off the floor on some 4*8*16" solid blocks. If headroom is tight, that may be an issue, however don not let the base contact the floor directly. Any piping questions.....just post em.

Is that the 170K unit?

Thanks man. Yeah I might be able to get it 4" or so off the floor - if I'm lucky. VERY tight ceiling space there. As it sits on the floor right now, the pipe will have to elbow DOWN before it enters the chimney - certainly less than ideal but gotta dance with what brung me. No idea how many BTU's this thing is. Jim called one day last year asking what my oil boiler plate said for BTU's - told him 110k ... and a few months later he showed up here with this. Great guy. Miss him. :(

Thanks Fred & Sierra!
The laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are
neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. ...Such laws make things worse
for the assaulted and better for the assailants, they serve rather to
encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with
greater confidence than an armed man."

- Thomas Jefferson, quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria in "On
Crimes and Punishment."

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Post Mon. Aug. 26, 2013 7:57 am

Looks like quite a job.

I am lucky with my set up. I have a walk out basement with a conventional 36" exit door. I can usually bring things around back and get them in pretty easy.

Your job looked very tricky. Glad you got it down there with no damage.

Vin.

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Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - (custom built by Jim Dorsey, Taunton MA - RIP 4/18/13)
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III (SOLD!)
Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler
Location: West-Central Mass

Post Mon. Aug. 26, 2013 11:17 am

Thanks Vin - me too! :D :cheers:

I need to install a bulkhead here at some point. Don't have alot of motivation to fix the place though. The way the economy is going the state will probably end up seizing this place anyway ... a la Cyprus .. :roll:
The laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are
neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. ...Such laws make things worse
for the assaulted and better for the assailants, they serve rather to
encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with
greater confidence than an armed man."

- Thomas Jefferson, quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria in "On
Crimes and Punishment."

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