Wall outlets inside hearth area

 
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Post by dunedainranger » Tue. Mar. 02, 2021 11:38 am

Hello, I'm getting ready to install my DS Energymax 110, and so I'm preparing to build my hearth. I have run into an issue and was wondering what some of you have done to correct it. Since my hearth has to be so large for this stoves clearances, I have found that I have two wall outlets that are inside the clearances required for the stove.
In my inexperience, I figured I'd just make them junctions and then cover them up with the wall tile I'm installing, but I found that is not an acceptable practice since there needs to be access to junctions.
Do you all have any suggestions of what I could do?
Thank you.


 
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Post by HandFire » Tue. Mar. 02, 2021 11:52 am

Not an issue. Let them be.

 
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Post by LouSee » Tue. Mar. 02, 2021 12:54 pm

Yes, it must be accessible. Drywall is one thing, but tile would be even worse. A previous kitchen had junction boxes behind tile. Guy didn't know how to do wire nuts either. Fire behind the wall due to overheated wire. On thanksgiving, of course. Fun times...

If the box is too recessed, there are extenders that you can add to get the surface out to the tile face. Then just install an outlet and cover plate that matches the decor of the tile.

 
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Post by dunedainranger » Tue. Mar. 02, 2021 1:05 pm

Okay, thank you for the replies. Should I be concerned with the outlet being too close to the stove though?

 
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Post by freetown fred » Tue. Mar. 02, 2021 1:12 pm

No, mine is about 10" behind my HITZER & has been there & functioning properly for 10 plus yrs with coal stove & 15 yrs with wood burning beast. Never cover with anything--just cut hole in crete board so I can still use it.

 
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Post by McGiever » Tue. Mar. 02, 2021 1:15 pm

You do know you may reduce wall clearences doing 'heat-shields' and have a 'not so large of hearth'????
So you know 12-18 in. is very doable.
I like lots of wall outlets...I'd prolly add one in base of hearth for moma's sweeper or whatever...

 
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Post by dunedainranger » Tue. Mar. 02, 2021 2:27 pm

Yes I understand that. Wires are rated for a maximum temperature, and that's without even considering the plastic used in the outlet components. I'm doubting a heatshield would fix the issue unless I were to literally put the heatsheild over the outlet. I should also mention this is a corner install, so the side face of the stove is going to be angled towards the outlet.
Anyways, thank you for the input. I'm sure I'll figure something out.


 
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Post by HandFire » Tue. Mar. 02, 2021 2:51 pm

dunedainranger wrote:
Tue. Mar. 02, 2021 1:05 pm
Should I be concerned with the outlet being too close to the stove though?
Recptacles are not combustibles. Your not going to melt or for that matter even get the plastics involved that warm. Your not going to have to derate your circuit ampacity or rewire. It's a non issue. Your not breaking any codes. Leave them be. Tile around like you would a backsplash. For your piece of mind, with the large basement sides on the 110 I can keep my hand 1 inch from the metal all day long with a stove top temp of 470° F and 550°-600° behind the sides on the stove surface where the fins are. You are getting the large basement sides with the 110, correct?

 
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Post by dunedainranger » Tue. Mar. 02, 2021 3:17 pm

Thanks for the reply Handfire. Your repsonse does make me feel better about it. I'm not sure how long it's been since you bought your stove, but now they make what they call the 'living room sides' and of course the basement sides. I purchased the living room sides. In fact, they recommended I'd only get the living room set considering my application. I'm fairly certain the only difference is the color. Instead of red, they are black.

 
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Post by freetown fred » Tue. Mar. 02, 2021 3:21 pm

The only situation you got D, is the one you're creating--all on here know that safety is a priority!! KISS

 
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Post by dunedainranger » Tue. Mar. 02, 2021 3:25 pm

Hey, I just figured I'd check. Thanks Fred.

 
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Post by Holdencoal » Tue. Mar. 02, 2021 3:45 pm

Here is some info

https://deu.ul.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Ul_ ... tboxes.pdf

Metacaulk make boxes and covers guards with 2hr ratings.

 
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Post by freetown fred » Tue. Mar. 02, 2021 5:05 pm

H, what the hell is a 2 hr rating???????????????

 
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Post by HandFire » Tue. Mar. 02, 2021 5:36 pm

dunedainranger wrote:
Tue. Mar. 02, 2021 3:17 pm
now they make what they call the 'living room sides' and of course the basement sides. I purchased the living room sides. In fact, they recommended I'd only get the living room set considering my application. I'm fairly certain the only difference is the color. Instead of red, they are black.
The living room sides form fit over the fins of the stove and have vents. The basement sides stand off roughly 2 1/2" leaving a large air gap for maximum convection. They used to be both available in red and black. If this stove is in a living area you definitely want to cut down that convection. No matter either way because you can purchase the basement sides. They are a bolt on item.

 
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Post by LouSee » Tue. Mar. 02, 2021 5:55 pm

one thing missing so far. just how close are we talking about?

> H, what the hell is a 2 hr rating???????????????

That's the rating of the box to contain a fire inside the box from spreading into the wall or joist (or whatever) cavity. That's one of the main jobs for a box.


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