anyone running with OUT a barro?

ratherbeflying · Post by **ratherbeflying** » Sun. Jan. 27, 2019 2:10 pm

i feel like there may be double plate on the bottom in the ash area as well... this would really complicate things...

k-2 · Post by **k-2** » Sun. Jan. 27, 2019 7:16 pm

The air going thru my stove has to be fan forced. If the fan stops for any length of time(More than 5 minutes) the fire goes out. My draft is fine but a Baro would only make the draft weaker ,so dont want a weaker draft.

VigIIPeaBurner · Post by **VigIIPeaBurner** » Sun. Jan. 27, 2019 9:27 pm

ratherbeflying wrote: ↑
Sun. Jan. 27, 2019 2:10 pm
i feel like there may be double plate on the bottom in the ash area as well... this would really complicate things...

Not certain if this is your model but it doesn't appear the bottom has a double plate in this diagram.

from franko b's manual upload, pg 4

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ratherbeflying · Post by **ratherbeflying** » Mon. Jan. 28, 2019 10:39 am

k-2 wrote: ↑
Sun. Jan. 27, 2019 7:16 pm
The air going thru my stove has to be fan forced. If the fan stops for any length of time(More than 5 minutes) the fire goes out. My draft is fine but a Baro would only make the draft weaker ,so dont want a weaker draft.

thats crazy why is that??

ratherbeflying · Post by **ratherbeflying** » Mon. Jan. 28, 2019 10:40 am

VigIIPeaBurner wrote: ↑
Sun. Jan. 27, 2019 9:27 pm
Not certain if this is your model but it doesn't appear the bottom has a double plate in this diagram.
Capture.PNG

yes thats it. it sure does look like the bottom is double plate from that picture! look again! that sucks thats going to make it much more complicated

Post by **franco b** » Mon. Jan. 28, 2019 10:47 am

With the double wall construction it appears to have no good spot to mount a bi-metal thermostat, except the front which is impractical.

With a sensitive enough bi-metal though it could mount on the outside double wall. The Vigilant is in effect mounted that way.

ratherbeflying · Post by **ratherbeflying** » Mon. Jan. 28, 2019 11:33 am

franco b wrote: ↑
Mon. Jan. 28, 2019 10:47 am
With the double wall construction it appears to have no good spot to mount a bi-metal thermostat, except the front which is impractical.

With a sensitive enough bi-metal though it could mount on the outside double wall. The Vigilant is in effect mounted that way.

understandable, but how would the new primary feed the fire???

Post by **franco b** » Mon. Jan. 28, 2019 11:51 am

ratherbeflying wrote: ↑
Mon. Jan. 28, 2019 11:33 am
understandable, but how would the new primary feed the fire???

It would need a tube going through the double wall to the ash pit. This is hoe the Vigilant works.

ratherbeflying · Post by **ratherbeflying** » Mon. Jan. 28, 2019 12:02 pm

franco b wrote: ↑
Mon. Jan. 28, 2019 11:51 am
It would need a tube going through the double wall to the ash pit. This is hoe the Vigilant works.

how would that seal?? i dont have a welder lol wish i did

Post by **franco b** » Mon. Jan. 28, 2019 12:21 pm

ratherbeflying wrote: ↑
Mon. Jan. 28, 2019 12:02 pm
how would that seal?? i dont have a welder lol wish i did

Round tube with reasonably tight fit and sealed with high temp silicon.

ratherbeflying · Post by **ratherbeflying** » Mon. Jan. 28, 2019 2:04 pm

ok... ill see what i can come up with over the summer. thanks

ratherbeflying · Post by **ratherbeflying** » Mon. Feb. 18, 2019 5:35 pm

VigIIPeaBurner wrote: ↑
Wed. Jan. 23, 2019 11:12 pm
Lightning stated it well. The key is adequate heat transferred from the stove to the room and the lowest stack temperature. The two ways to control it are flow (MPD or Bimeatalic) and pressure (baro). The instrument that measures pressure is a mano(meter) and the one that measures flow is a flow meter (eg Dwyer 460). The ratio of what you refer to as face temperature to stack temperature is a good measurement of what's going on. It's not the end-all measurement because it's very dificult to measure how much of the surface heat is washing off the stove at a variable rate to heat the room space. The recent windy nights at ~0*F my stove was at its typical 600+* but my stack temperature was about 10* higher and my coal consumption increased. BTUs in, BTUs out.

which proves my thought of 600* at .1 draft is wasting alot of coal compared to 600* at .03-.04 no?

Post by **franco b** » Mon. Feb. 18, 2019 7:24 pm

ratherbeflying wrote: ↑
Mon. Feb. 18, 2019 5:35 pm
which proves my thought of 600* at .1 draft is wasting alot of coal compared to 600* at .03-.04 no?

No. Vigll explained that the colder windy weather was causing the stove to lose heat faster and burn more to maintain the 6oo degree temperature.

ratherbeflying · Post by **ratherbeflying** » Tue. Feb. 19, 2019 8:30 am

franco b wrote: ↑
Mon. Feb. 18, 2019 7:24 pm
No. Vigll explained that the colder windy weather was causing the stove to lose heat faster and burn more to maintain the 6oo degree temperature.

caused by what tho? higher draft right?

Post by **franco b** » Tue. Feb. 19, 2019 8:58 am

ratherbeflying wrote: ↑
Tue. Feb. 19, 2019 8:30 am
caused by what tho? higher draft right?

Caused by the colder weather. The stove has a thermostat that opens more to keep the set heat. If draft were weak it would open more and with strong draft it opens less to maintain temperature.