Hitzer 30-95 flu size/new construction

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Post by fpappal » Wed. Oct. 03, 2018 11:55 am

I will be building a new house in a few weeks. 2000 sq ft ranch, walk out basement, central New York(it gets cold). The main heat source will be forced air/propane. I purchased a one year old Hitzer 30-95 to be used for emergency heat that will be located in the basement. I probably should have bought the next size larger but the damage is done. I emailed Hitzer regarding flue size/material and they suggested an 8 inch flue and to use 316 stainless. Some people tell me I may have draft issues with the 8 inch. I have never used a coal stove before, this is all new to me. I have not purchased the pipe yet so I was hoping someone might have an opinion on this. I plan on boxing the pipe in once it is installed.
I may fix up half my basement to use as a tv room in the future. Would the 30-95 put out enough heat to keep a 2000 sq ft basement comfortable?
Would I be better off with the 8 inch flue in case I decide to install a larger stove in the future?

Sorry if these questions have been asked a hundred times before. I appreciate any/all advice.

 
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Post by buffalo bob » Wed. Oct. 03, 2018 1:46 pm

8"" flue is plenty, but if new construction i would buil masonry flue with clay liner, last forever...

 
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Post by fpappal » Wed. Oct. 03, 2018 2:44 pm

Hitzer told me the same thing, but they did say the 316 stainless should last quite a while. The guy building my house told me that if I only plan on using the stove occasionally the clay will turn to powder in short time. It is only if it gets hot and stays hot for the season that it lasts practically forever. He claims he has repaired many chimneys in which they clay essentially disintegrated from only periodic use. Any truth to that?
Thanks for the reply.

 
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Post by Lightning » Wed. Oct. 03, 2018 2:54 pm

I've never heard anything like that before about a clay tiled chimney. What I can tell you is that I had a propane furnace vented thru my exterior clay lined chimney for about 8 years. It seemed to me that the moisture from the propane exhaust did condense and freeze at the top of the chimney causing the top two courses of masonry brick to crumble from the freeze thaw cycle of the furnace on and off again. I replaced the top two courses myself when I changed over to coal. I don't know for sure if the propane furnace caused the crumbling or not but since my chimney has two flues the side with the most damage was the propane flue. So it made sense to me.


 
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Post by warminmn » Wed. Oct. 03, 2018 3:27 pm

There are lots of 100 year old clay thimble chimneys around that havent been used for years and are still good. Your builder may be thinking of something else.

 
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Post by freetown fred » Wed. Oct. 03, 2018 4:51 pm

I would seriously consider the 50-93---big brother to the 30-95--best to have to much that you can idle down when needed then to be lacking when you need it. Post the 30-95 for sale here, & local places- Cortland Standard, TSC, etc. I'd bet it wouldn't last long if your asking price is reasonable. FYI--my 50-93 uses 6" stainless--can't imagine why Dean would of suggested 8"??????????????

 
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Post by Den034071 » Wed. Oct. 03, 2018 6:56 pm

Fap i have the 3095 stove for 19 years .I will say its Marginal for your basement .Definitely insulate the walls or the concrete walls Will Act As A Heat Sink an render near useless for heat .Chimney Get a masonry tiled chimney .I an Buffalo are masons each over 40 years .Brick or Block chimney will last a Long Long time .jack Also the 5093 is Better suited for basement .

 
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Post by oliver power » Thu. Oct. 04, 2018 5:17 pm

I'll back the other replies. Masonry Chimney, and 50-93. The 30-95 is small for basement application. You'd have to run the 30-95 too hard. When "running hard", the 30-95 will use more coal, and make nice clinkers.

Maybe HITZER was talking an 8" masonry chimney flue. That would be fine. If going metal, 6" 316 is what you'd want. With a new build, it's a no brainer. Go Masonry...


 
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Post by McGiever » Thu. Oct. 04, 2018 9:47 pm

freetown fred wrote:
Wed. Oct. 03, 2018 4:51 pm
I would seriously consider the 50-93---big brother to the 30-95--best to have to much that you can idle down when needed then to be lacking when you need it. Post the 30-95 for sale here, & local places- Cortland Standard, TSC, etc. I'd bet it wouldn't last long if your asking price is reasonable. FYI--my 50-93 uses 6" stainless--can't imagine why Dean would of suggested 8"??????????????
My wild guess would be no 6" for wood or bituminous...you're skating by by burning anthracite, and also might have minimal bends and reasonable length. With added bends and length the 6" ability to move enough exhaust may not happen.

No two chimneys are alike, as they say. ;)

 
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Post by freetown fred » Thu. Oct. 04, 2018 10:14 pm

Old school would be if you've got a 6" outlet on your stove--stick with it--both 30-95 & 50-93 have 6" outlets.

 
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Post by DENNIS BAUER » Fri. Oct. 05, 2018 10:28 am

Running 6" stainless on both a 50-93 in the house and a 30-95 in the garage. Also ran a Keystoker 105 on the same 6" stainless.

 
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Post by McGiever » Fri. Oct. 05, 2018 11:37 am

Sometimes I do lose sight that these are just 'space heaters'.

 
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Post by DENNIS BAUER » Fri. Oct. 05, 2018 4:04 pm

McGiever wrote:
Fri. Oct. 05, 2018 11:37 am
Sometimes I do lose sight that these are just 'space heaters'.
I've run both stoves as hard as they can run in the house and the garage through the 6" pipe. Works great. I actually had to put a manual pipe damper in to slow it down so i don't loose all my heat up the chimney! Big draft.

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