Help picking out a stove

warminmn · Post by **warminmn** » Wed. Jul. 11, 2018 8:22 pm

Spend the money 1st on a good chimney. Then whatever you have left spend on a used stove. You can always upgrade your stove later but its kind of hard to upgrade the chimney.

The stoves that have been mentioned are a nice list to look for used. You have a few months to look, learn, and shop.

Jgib4 · Post by **Jgib4** » Wed. Jul. 11, 2018 8:48 pm

warminmn wrote: ↑
Wed. Jul. 11, 2018 8:22 pm
Spend the money 1st on a good chimney. Then whatever you have left spend on a used stove. You can always upgrade your stove later but its kind of hard to upgrade the chimney.

The stoves that have been mentioned are a nice list to look for used. You have a few months to look, learn, and shop.

Any opinions on a good chimney? I can get the pipe at cost so that should help on cost for that.
I really want the stove in a certain corner of the room but that would put the chimney on the outside of the house instead of the middle like the current chimney. I’ve read it’s better for draft if it’s in the house because of the outside temp effecting your draft, not sure if that’s true or not.

warminmn · Post by **warminmn** » Wed. Jul. 11, 2018 9:38 pm

Avoid stainless steel if you can and if you can afford to build a brick or block chimney do that is my main advice. There are so many opinions of what to build and where and each situation is different.

Im far from a chimney expert and I have a great draft with an external stainless steel chimney but if you put my chimney on your house it might have zero draft. Thats what I mean by every situation being different. I was burning wood when I installed my steel chimney so its there and I use it. I also have a brick chimney in the center of my house. I have a gauge on both of them and they draft the same when they are being used.

You may want to draw up a picture with measurements or take a pic of the outside of your home, or a couple from different directions. You'll get lots of advice then. There are some great topics on this site about DIY chimney installs too.

If you havent found this topic yet it shows many stoves and their installs. It may at least help you pick a stove when the time comes. it will take a few hours to page thru these. Lots of mantel, wall and floor ideas too.
Pictures of Your Stove

Jgib4 · Post by **Jgib4** » Wed. Jul. 11, 2018 10:18 pm

warminmn wrote: ↑
Wed. Jul. 11, 2018 9:38 pm
Avoid stainless steel if you can and if you can afford to build a brick or block chimney do that is my main advice. There are so many opinions of what to build and where and each situation is different.

Im far from a chimney expert and I have a great draft with an external stainless steel chimney but if you put my chimney on your house it might have zero draft. Thats what I mean by every situation being different. I was burning wood when I installed my steel chimney so its there and I use it. I also have a brick chimney in the center of my house. I have a gauge on both of them and they draft the same when they are being used.

You may want to draw up a picture with measurements or take a pic of the outside of your home, or a couple from different directions. You'll get lots of advice then. There are some great topics on this site about DIY chimney installs too.

If you havent found this topic yet it shows many stoves and their installs. It may at least help you pick a stove when the time comes. it will take a few hours to page thru these. Lots of mantel, wall and floor ideas too.
Pictures of Your Stove

Awesome thank you! Haven’t seen that thread before.

oliver power · Post by **oliver power** » Wed. Jul. 11, 2018 10:47 pm

freetown fred wrote: ↑
Wed. Jul. 11, 2018 2:54 am
I agree 100% C. Well written. For the 500 sq. with over-flow--I recommend the 50-93. As stated, it can be idled WAY down but has the balls when needed.

I'll second what Fred, Cape coaler, and King Coal said.

Heat in silence..........A stoker is noisy in the living area.

CapeCoaler · Post by **CapeCoaler** » Wed. Jul. 11, 2018 11:25 pm

Do a masonry chimney...
Blocks are cheaper...
Brick looks nicer...
Insulate with vermiculite, especially if it is an outside chimney...
Like this...
Insulating Terracotta 6 Inch Flue in Brick Chimney Opinions
You can always put a stoker on a chimney...
Even when power is out it will have draft...
Power-vent not so much...

Jgib4 · Post by **Jgib4** » Thu. Jul. 12, 2018 3:08 pm

CapeCoaler wrote: ↑
Wed. Jul. 11, 2018 11:25 pm
Do a masonry chimney...
Blocks are cheaper...
Brick looks nicer...
Insulate with vermiculite, especially if it is an outside chimney...
Like this...
Insulating Terracotta 6 Inch Flue in Brick Chimney Opinions
You can always put a stoker on a chimney...
Even when power is out it will have draft...
Power-vent not so much...

Never have messed with massonary before. How much would a job like that cost for a rancher.

2001Sierra · Post by **2001Sierra** » Thu. Jul. 12, 2018 10:43 pm

My best guess for a simple block chimney would be at least $500.00 just for the mason, providing you prep the footing and dig it down to the below the frost line.

Jgib4 · Post by **Jgib4** » Fri. Jul. 13, 2018 10:37 am

2001Sierra wrote: ↑
Thu. Jul. 12, 2018 10:43 pm
My best guess for a simple block chimney would be at least $500.00 just for the mason, providing you prep the footing and dig it down to the below the frost line.

That’s not hateful

CapeCoaler · Post by **CapeCoaler** » Fri. Jul. 13, 2018 1:21 pm

The return will be huge...
No replacement of the Metal chimney after 7-10 years...
Rancher should be short money...
Not a 2 story building, maybe 18 to the peak...

warminmn · Post by **warminmn** » Fri. Jul. 13, 2018 1:29 pm

If trees are nearby, or other tall objects, chimney may need another foot or more in height.

Theres a good chance whatever builder you get will want to put a steel liner in it inside the chimneys liner, or your insurance company may want one inside if they are involved at all. Completely unnecessary for coal and an unneeded expensive add-on. Your forewarned... it may happen.

Jgib4 · Post by **Jgib4** » Fri. Jul. 13, 2018 4:49 pm

When I had my clay thimble replaced (it was broke) in my current chimney they told me i only had one or two seasons left on my current clay liner. Not sure if they were looking for money or not. I do burn wood and bit in that one so it sees some abuse.

CapeCoaler · Post by **CapeCoaler** » Sat. Jul. 14, 2018 10:01 am

Did they run a camera down the length of the liner and show you...
How bad the liner was...
Follow the money...

Jgib4 · Post by **Jgib4** » Sat. Jul. 14, 2018 10:58 am

CapeCoaler wrote: ↑
Sat. Jul. 14, 2018 10:01 am
Did they run a camera down the length of the liner and show you...
How bad the liner was...
Follow the money...

No when they took the old thimble out they could see the bottom layer of the existing liner and said it was very thin.

CapeCoaler · Post by **CapeCoaler** » Sat. Jul. 14, 2018 12:59 pm

Terracotta liner...
Most want to sell you something...
How old is the chimney/house...