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Post by ASea » Sat. Dec. 02, 2017 11:57 am

I have a 1950s ranch. 1800sqft up and I imagine about the same for the basement. I would like recommendations for a hand fired stove to heat the whole house. I live in North Central Mass and the Winters can be brutal.

I am open to antique or new stoves.

The Glenwood Oak stoves are very beautiful

I also like the Hitzer 50-93 or the DS Anthramax. I also saw an Alaska Kodiak hand fired that cought my eye.


 
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Post by corey » Sat. Dec. 02, 2017 1:15 pm

I like how Hitzer stoves are a simple design and they have not changed. The Anthramax has the EPA reburn system.
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Post by John27elec » Sat. Dec. 02, 2017 3:00 pm

If you are looking to burn coal strictly the Hitzer 50-93 is a great stove. Easy to operate and will throw ALOT of heat. I currently am using a Hitzer in my garage and a new Amax in my house. The Amax is nicer looking to me and burns coal very well, after some learning and advice from some folks on here i have done much better burning wood in my Amax as well. I will give DS well deserved credit the circulation tubes are incredible no fans no noise at all and moves tons of air around.

My thoughts if you just doing coal and its just sitting in your basement buy the Hitzer.

 
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Post by michaelanthony » Sat. Dec. 02, 2017 3:21 pm

ASea wrote:
Sat. Dec. 02, 2017 11:57 am
I have a 1950s ranch. 1800sqft up and I imagine about the same for the basement. I would like recommendations for a hand fired stove to heat the whole house. I live in North Central Mass and the Winters can be brutal.

I am open to antique or new stoves.

The Glenwood Oak stoves are very beautiful

I also like the Hitzer 50-93 or the DS Anthramax. I also saw an Alaska Kodiak hand fired that cought my eye.
Hi Asea, I do the same thing with a little box stove blowing hot air into my oil furnace return air ducts but soon a Vermont Castings Vigilant 2310 will be taking over, I'm going no-electricity. Soon an antique base burner will be upstairs in the living room for the 2 months of real cold winter we can get up here or just because! :lol:
Right now it is 33 degrees out and 76 in upstairs with a idling stove in the basement and a little warmer down in the basement.

Is your basement insulated? Is the stairwell to the basement at one end of the house? Is it a split level ranch? Lots of questions but the information is important. How is the air flow? Is there a garage attached? You get the picture?

Anyway...last yr I put 1/2 inch foil faced on both side rigid insulation on the basement walls on vertical strips of strapping 2 ft on center so there is an air space to minimize condensation, if any. This saved me close to a ton of coal last winter.

Based on your response a nice big round Antique Glenwood might do the trick, or a big steel box with blowers might be needed. The Vigilant is rated to heat 2000 sq ft so you would be pushing it's limits although it could work in an insulated basement the size of your with the proper air flow. A drawing of the house layout would also be nice!

Look forward to hearing from you.

 
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Post by ASea » Sun. Dec. 03, 2017 4:27 pm

My house is a ranch all one floor. Basement is unfinished,walls are uninsulated, mostly below grade. Basement stairs would be on the opposite end of the house from the stove. I have a Coal Chubby installed in the fireplace upstairs it does a good job. I would rather a stove in the basement to keep the floors warm and have the heat upstairs be less intense.

 
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Post by michaelanthony » Sun. Dec. 03, 2017 5:23 pm

ASea wrote:
Sun. Dec. 03, 2017 4:27 pm
My house is a ranch all one floor. Basement is unfinished,walls are uninsulated, mostly below grade. Basement stairs would be on the opposite end of the house from the stove. I have a Coal Chubby installed in the fireplace upstairs it does a good job. I would rather a stove in the basement to keep the floors warm and have the heat upstairs be less intense.
I learned the hard way, heating the basement walls STOLE 100's of thousands of btu's destined for the upstairs. It would take a couple days to heat the walls until some of the heat would make it to the living space. Please take my advice and at least cover the top 4 feet of basement walls with insulation, this is where most of the heat you generate will go. Your house is a great set up for a nice convection circuit.

 
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Post by ASea » Sun. Dec. 03, 2017 10:08 pm

I'm reluctant to insulate down there, mainly in the interest of keeping things dry.


 
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Post by gardener » Mon. Dec. 04, 2017 10:16 am

michaelanthony wrote:
Sat. Dec. 02, 2017 3:21 pm
Anyway...last yr I put 1/2 inch foil faced on both side rigid insulation on the basement walls on vertical strips of strapping 2 ft on center so there is an air space to minimize condensation, if any. This saved me close to a ton of coal last winter.
Is the insulation exposed?
That would make the most sense since foil needs airspace to reflect the heat.
But then does that mean you get a the hall of mirrors effect when walking through your basement?

Previous owners of our house 'finished' half of the basement. They put up strips and 1/2 or 1 inch thick insulation between and hung drywall over that. I don't care for how they did it, but its better than looking at the insulation. I am keen on this thread since I need to tear out the 'finished' portion to renovate and I want to put a coal burning insert in the basement fireplace.

 
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Post by ASea » Mon. Dec. 04, 2017 2:36 pm

"I learned the hard way, heating the basement walls STOLE 100's of thousands of btu's destined for the upstairs. It would take a couple days to heat the walls until some of the heat would make it to the living space. Please take my advice and at least cover the top 4 feet of basement walls with insulation, this is where most of the heat you generate will go. Your house is a great set up for a nice convection circuit."

I am curious if you have a field stone foundation? My house is very well insulated upstairs.Mass save came in and did an audit. I the attic was recently insulated with blown in. The basement ceiling is not insulated. My basement walls are solid poured concrete.

 
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Post by gardener » Mon. Dec. 04, 2017 3:54 pm

ASea wrote:
Mon. Dec. 04, 2017 2:36 pm
The basement ceiling is not insulated. My basement walls are solid poured concrete.
Do you have drywall on the underside of the floor joists? that could be a barrier the heat would also have to traverse, give more time for your basement walls to absorb the heat.

I have concrete walls like yours, and I noticed that the basement temperature through the season is dictated by the ground temperature.... meaning I think michaelanthony's experience will be yours as well without insulation.

 
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Post by gardener » Mon. Dec. 04, 2017 3:56 pm

One idea I had was to disconnect the ductwork to a register near the fireplace, and replace the register with one of those register booster fans during the winter. That would be an inexpensive way to pull the heat up faster.

 
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Post by ASea » Mon. Dec. 04, 2017 4:21 pm

Basement ceiling is all open to the joists.

 
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Post by hotblast1357 » Mon. Dec. 04, 2017 5:30 pm

When I put in my house this summer, I put 2” r10 board on the outside of my 8” poured concrete walls, this is a walk out with two French doors, and the front is stick built with 2x8 wall, my basement heats very easily! And the walls are extremely warm! If your going to insulate you should insulate on the outside, so that all that concrete mass is warm, but is held in by the insulation, it effects your floor temp and upstairs temp, with insulation on the inside, the basement walls are whatever the outside temp is, and then that cold is going to migrate into your sill plate and your floor joist.

 
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Post by ASea » Mon. Dec. 04, 2017 6:36 pm

I'm extremely reluctant to insulate or finish the basement because we do get water down there occasionally. I don't mind a large stove like the Alaska Kodiak,Hitzer 50-93, or Anthramax in the basement heating the socks off of everything.

 
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Post by keegs » Mon. Dec. 04, 2017 6:39 pm

I had the 2" extruded foam board installed on the ouside also and have a wood stove installed in the basement but I haven't used it yet. I think I have a nest inside the flue. I can't say though whether it's better one way or the other. Many years ago we heated our small apartment with a wood stove in the unfinished basement. We kept the basement door open.


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