Non-invasive??? I'm eager to see what you are up to now.
Box Stove to Base Heater Conversion Adventure
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you'll probably be disappointed. i just decided not to bother disassembling and covering the original primary air system and adding it back on in a new location.
instead i'm just going to set up 2 external double heater ducts to drive a figure 8 convection loop.
it's going to be all function and no one is likely to be impressed or want to copy it.
instead i'm just going to set up 2 external double heater ducts to drive a figure 8 convection loop.
it's going to be all function and no one is likely to be impressed or want to copy it.
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KingCoal wrote: ↑Mon. Dec. 11, 2017 10:35 amyou'll probably be disappointed. i just decided not to bother disassembling and covering the original primary air system and adding it back on in a new location.
instead i'm just going to set up 2 external double heater ducts to drive a figure 8 convection loop.
it's going to be all function and no one is likely to be impressed or want to copy it.
So you are going to duct around them rather than move them ?
Paul
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kind of, i'm more interested in finding out how much circulation volume i can get in the simplest fashion to see if it's worth going any further.
i'll get some pics up when i can.
i'll get some pics up when i can.
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I can't help but think there's might good reasons why they are located where they are.
Paul
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came home and realized one of my "duct" paths just won't work in present lay out.
i can do one of them but not both, so i probably will but will also go forward with modeling of a bracket to support the bi metal box in a new location.
i can do one of them but not both, so i probably will but will also go forward with modeling of a bracket to support the bi metal box in a new location.
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still no progress on fitting a double heater feature to this stove but...
it's -14 wc outside, it's 73* one room away from the stove. running in base mode at -.03 Mano.
652* on stove 130* at the thimble, lots of throttle left just need to be careful of ignition point of painted wood work and trim in stove area.
it's -14 wc outside, it's 73* one room away from the stove. running in base mode at -.03 Mano.
652* on stove 130* at the thimble, lots of throttle left just need to be careful of ignition point of painted wood work and trim in stove area.
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hmm, there is a spot of trim just beyond the heat shield and 20" from the nearest edge of the stove that's showing 192*
bare wood spontaneous ignition is around 550* so i'm probably ok for now.
bare wood spontaneous ignition is around 550* so i'm probably ok for now.
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well, FRANK is back on the hearth all hooked up for the next six days of 50 highs and 35 lows. it's going back to the 60's after that so i'll be letting it go back out.
right now it's 48 with 10 mph breeze, the chimney is pulling .02 above the fire bed with the primary closed and 3 inches of half burned nut on the grates from the last clean out this spring.
it's 60 IAT so that's decent natural draft.
gave up on the rear mounted double heater project for this stove, just too many obstructions and limited space.
i am however finished with the modeling stage of double heater passages for each of the sides. once i quit focusing on what wasn't working this idea came pretty quickly, it kind of reapplies the circulator idea to the stove but in a much more effective design.
pics to follow,
steve
right now it's 48 with 10 mph breeze, the chimney is pulling .02 above the fire bed with the primary closed and 3 inches of half burned nut on the grates from the last clean out this spring.
it's 60 IAT so that's decent natural draft.
gave up on the rear mounted double heater project for this stove, just too many obstructions and limited space.
i am however finished with the modeling stage of double heater passages for each of the sides. once i quit focusing on what wasn't working this idea came pretty quickly, it kind of reapplies the circulator idea to the stove but in a much more effective design.
pics to follow,
steve
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KingCoal wrote: ↑Thu. Oct. 11, 2018 8:37 pmwell, FRANK is back on the hearth all hooked up for the next six days of 50 highs and 35 lows. it's going back to the 60's after that so i'll be letting it go back out.
right now it's 48 with 10 mph breeze, the chimney is pulling .02 above the fire bed with the primary closed and 3 inches of half burned nut on the grates from the last clean out this spring.
it's 60 IAT so that's decent natural draft.
gave up on the rear mounted double heater project for this stove, just too many obstructions and limited space.
i am however finished with the modeling stage of double heater passages for each of the sides. once i quit focusing on what wasn't working this idea came pretty quickly, it kind of reapplies the circulator idea to the stove but in a much more effective design.
pics to follow,
steve
Looking forward to see how this project progresses.
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RB, this one is real simple i'm sure you'll like it.
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Now you have me thinking about the grill-work on the sides of my DS 1300. Considering replacing it with different grills that have much smaller holes, more closely approximating a solid piece of metal, but still a grill for the sake of appearance. Leaving a couple-inch gap at bottom and top, seems like it would significantly increase convection, but would it detrimentally reduce radiant heat?
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as you know i think the "stock" circulator design steals more radiant performance than it gives back in circulatory convection so you aren't really getting that much ( relatively speaking ) to start with.
sooo, doing just what you say would be the best way too get everything you can. my idea is pretty much the same with solid shrouds instead of perforated and the addition of a roll out of metal at the top to keep the air path from hitting the underside of the stove top and at best just getting forced to the floor.
instead it will get forced away from the stove in an upward arch making the convection loop wider and getting more warmth into the front entry and the dining room.
i'm playing with FRANK a little bit this afternoon. it's 43 with enough wind to feel like 32. the wind is pretty much constant at 25-35mpg. have the stove in base mode with 2 mpd's closed and the mano is rocking between -.01 and -.03 inside the combustion chamber although i just watched a gust push it -.09, then back.
nice to have the bi metal primary in stuff like this, it's holding the flap open about the width of an eyelash and keeping the house an even 70 IAT.
getting ready to go to PA next weekend so no time to bend any metal for the double heater shrouds till i get back.
steve
sooo, doing just what you say would be the best way too get everything you can. my idea is pretty much the same with solid shrouds instead of perforated and the addition of a roll out of metal at the top to keep the air path from hitting the underside of the stove top and at best just getting forced to the floor.
instead it will get forced away from the stove in an upward arch making the convection loop wider and getting more warmth into the front entry and the dining room.
i'm playing with FRANK a little bit this afternoon. it's 43 with enough wind to feel like 32. the wind is pretty much constant at 25-35mpg. have the stove in base mode with 2 mpd's closed and the mano is rocking between -.01 and -.03 inside the combustion chamber although i just watched a gust push it -.09, then back.
nice to have the bi metal primary in stuff like this, it's holding the flap open about the width of an eyelash and keeping the house an even 70 IAT.
getting ready to go to PA next weekend so no time to bend any metal for the double heater shrouds till i get back.
steve