The Shake...??

Modern and vintage hand fired coal stove are similar to a wood stove and in some cases can burn either. They need to be regulated and fed by hand usually every 12 to 24 hours depending on your usage. They require no power to operate making them ideal for rural settings with long power outages.
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Post Thu. Feb. 27, 2014 7:42 pm

The wet coal will cost some heat and probably condensation in the chimney, but will burn.

I think you are right about not clearing enough ash. Many stoves don't do a good enough job and need some help from a poker used in one way or another and that includes the Chubby.

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Post Fri. Feb. 28, 2014 7:04 pm

Had a nice burn, kept burning strong all night, shook, & rodded then filled. Burned all day and was still going after 13 hours but loads of ash build up. Went through the same procedure but I probably was a little too aggressive in my rodding and shake. The burn coded and I had to restart. Not too bad being that it was left unattended for that many hours.....
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Post Fri. Feb. 28, 2014 7:06 pm

Good, you're playin with her & gainin on her:)
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Post Fri. Feb. 28, 2014 7:18 pm

It was sooooooooo nice to wake up to a warm house and nicer to come home to the same........
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Post Sun. Mar. 02, 2014 1:10 pm

I've had it burning for several days and I'm beginning to see a pattern emerge. Extended burns without a great deal of attention allows too much ash build up. It bridges the slots in the grates. I rod from the bottom to get it to drop into the pan and establish air flow. After some experimenting I've found that a delicate technique works better than a more aggressive method. However, the delicate touch doesn't drop enough ash and the burn will eventually coed. I'll have to increase the frequency of shake and rodding and see where that takes me. Still don't have a mano but I don't believe it's a draft issue. I do have a non contact IR thermometer on the way so I can see what temps I'm running at.....

In summary, I believe it's a cocktail mix of design limitation and pilot error. Now to find the magic elixir to resolve this......
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Post Sun. Mar. 02, 2014 1:54 pm

CH, how long between tending are you talking as far as EXTENDED goes?
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Post Sun. Mar. 02, 2014 2:14 pm

Fred, When home, I'll shake/rod it at 8 hour intervals, or as needed (read - when it's intensity was visually dropping)......
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Post Sun. Mar. 02, 2014 3:26 pm

Yep, you're gonna be real happy with that CHUBBY next winter ;)
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Post Tue. Mar. 04, 2014 5:08 pm

Epilogue - Even with rodding the grates as I was doing, it seemed that the ash build up would eventually choke the burn. As suggested, I took a 1/4" steel rod, bent one end at a 90° and in doing so, it allowed me to clear the grates more effectively. Using a soft touch (like I tickle it) , the bent rod persuades the ash to drop, even from the back & corners. This made a HUGE improvement........
The learning continues......
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Post Tue. Mar. 04, 2014 5:32 pm

Yep, a lil ticklin never hurt a thing CH :) For the record--I'm still learnin after 6 seasons--actually, after 68 yrs & this is GOOD ;)
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Post Tue. Mar. 04, 2014 6:25 pm

There is no finish line where we break the tape, grab a lounge chair and watch the rest of the finishers. The learning never ends...

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Post Tue. Mar. 04, 2014 10:23 pm

CH, how do the grates move? I went back to the other thread and saw the pic of the empty firebox but I couldn't tell if the grates rocked back and forth or how exactly they moved. From your description I think you are doing about as much as you can with the stove to get as good a burn as possible, some grate designs are just limited.
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Post Tue. Mar. 04, 2014 10:41 pm

This is the proper way to shake


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Post Wed. Mar. 05, 2014 5:17 pm

titleist1 wrote:CH, how do the grates move? I went back to the other thread and saw the pic of the empty firebox but I couldn't tell if the grates rocked back and forth or how exactly they moved. From your description I think you are doing about as much as you can with the stove to get as good a burn as possible, some grate designs are just limited.
The grates slide left & right. I tend to agree with you. I think I'm approaching the limit of it's performance envelope. I'll keep tweaking my technique but I'm really pleased with the burns now. Being warm without having to chase firewood and all the work that it entails. I'm a happy camper! Only wish I had done this sooner.....

Just got a non contact IR thermometer (Raytek ST) and it will be interesting to see what the temps are. 400°-600° for stove? 200° for pipe?

And "The Boyz" are enjoying the new found warmth.....
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Post Wed. Mar. 05, 2014 5:30 pm

This is the proper way to shake

Apparently I'm doing it all wrong....... :D
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